Voices for Voices®

From Shy Kid To “People’s Bishop”: Purpose, Prayer, And Public Leadership with Dr. Foreman | Episode 424

• Founder of Voices for Voices®, Justin Alan Hayes • Season 5 • Episode 424

Share episode

From Shy Kid To “People’s Bishop”: Purpose, Prayer, And Public Leadership with Dr. Foreman | Episode 424

Please Donate Today:  https://www.lovevoices.org

If you’ve ever wondered whether your difference is a liability or a compass, this conversation with Bishop Kevin Foreman will flip that script. We dig into how a shy kid became “the people’s bishop,” why emotions are indicators and not facts, and how choosing your emotional posture can change the way you lead, love, and rebuild after setbacks.

We walk through a practical blueprint for purpose: stop waiting for the perfect time and start with one step. Bishop Kevin shows how to turn aggravation into assignment, break big goals into manageable bites, and build momentum without burning out. He reframes prayer as daily, two-way communication with your manufacturer—more relationship than transaction—and shares how that practice protected his mental health when life hit hardest. If you’re craving spiritual growth and personal development that’s concrete and compassionate, you’ll find both here.

We also tackle the heat of our polarized world. Bishop Kevin explains why he’s pro‑people over partisan, how a simple school reflection proposal became politicized beyond recognition, and what he learned from the backlash. The takeaway: there’s little to win by “taking sides,” and a lot to gain by listening to opponents to sharpen your thinking and expand your empathy. Curiosity isn’t compromise—it’s strategy. Along the way, we surface resources you can use today: short, story-driven books on purpose, finance, and breaking generational patterns, plus an app packed with messages and tools to help you grow.

Ready to choose your emotions, take your next step, and serve beyond sides? Listen now, then share this episode with someone who needs a lift. If it resonates, subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s the one step you’re taking this week?


Chapter Markers

0:00 Welcome, Mission, And Guest Intro

1:38 Bishop Foreman’s Story And Calling

6:45 Choosing Emotions And Building Resilience

11:05 Starting Purpose With One Small Step

16:30 Prayer As Daily Relationship, Not Transaction

21:35 Beyond Partisanship: Pro‑People Philosophy

28:05 Backlash, Media, And Learning Not To Take Sides

34:20 Listen To Opponents To Grow Your Thinking

38:30 Resources, Offers, And How To Connect


Find our book here: 

Amazon: https://voices-for-voices.org/3ZhJ6AW

Publisher: https://voices-for-voices.org/3LKL1uN


Website: https://voices-for-voices.org/4byLXgb

Instagram: @voicesforvoices

TikTok: @voices_for_voices

Facebook: Voices for Voices


#InspireChange #FaithInAction #LeadershipJourney #PurposeDriven #EmpowerThroughPrayer #TransformativeLeadership #RiseAbove #BishopForeman #FromShyToStrong #CommunityImpact #justiceforsurvivors #VoicesforVoices #VoicesforVoicesPodcast #JustinAlanHayes #JustinHayes #help3billion #TikTok #Instagram #truth #Jesusaire #VoiceForChange #HealingTogether #VoicesForVoices424

Support the show

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Hi everyone, it's Justin, Voices for Voices. Thank you so much for joining this episode. As always, over 420 episodes strong. It's because of you, we have a show that we have the worldwide audience that we do over 100 countries, thousand cities. Our aim is for uh reaching 300 countries, 3,000 cities, and touching lives uh somewhere in the number of 3 billion or more. So we have bold goals. Uh but uh with you, with the your help, if you can hit that subscribe button, give us a thumbs up, like, follow, all that great stuff is free. If you can do that, that'd be very helpful. And if you uh if you are able to uh reach out, maybe do a group text to 25, 50, your closest uh friends, friend groups, colleagues, loved ones, let them know about the voices for voices show, especially this uh specific episode uh with uh Bishop Foreman is uh a treat for us to bring to you uh his expertise, uh his uh his passion, and we're just so grateful to get started. So I will uh get started uh by uh doing a little bit of uh Bishop Foreman's bio from his his website that uh that covers quite uh quite a lot of information and looking forward to the conversation. So all this is in quotes, uh, because I'm quoting directly from uh Bishop Foreman's website, uh known as the people's bishop. He is a shepherd that loves those he leads. Bishop Kevin Foreman is a renaissance man who has devoted his life to changing lives, born in Denver, Colorado, and reared in Orange Mound, an area of Memphis, Tennessee, riddled with the plight that often accompanies the inner city. From humble beginnings through God's amazing grace, he has defied statistics and transcended superficial boundaries. Today, he is an influential pastor, successful church planter, bishop, success coach, in-demand speaker, author, philanthropist, and entrepreneur. Bishop Foreman is a founder and chancellor of Harvest Bible College, pioneering hashtag fit harvest to promote healthy living in the harvest movement. Bishop Foreman celebrated successfully shedding over 95 pounds through a simple yet powerful lifestyle of changes. This is a testament to God's desire for us to walk in his shalom where nothing is missing, nothing is lacking, nothing is broken, and all is well. So I want to introduce Dr. Gorman to the show. Thank you so much for joining us.

Bishop Foreman:

Listen, I'm super excited to be here with you. Let me just say thank you for what you do creating these conversations. I believe conversations are catalysts for transformation. And so um, thank you for what you do to create these conversations to help people. I I love the name, Voices for Voices. Uh, I love, I love the name, love the mission, love what you do. So I'm super excited to be here as part of the conversation and hopefully add some value to everybody watching and everybody listening.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely. Uh so I'll just start with why why do you want to help people? What got you started in that that the ministry to be doing the things that you have done that you are doing and and will be? What got you started that spark in your mind?

Bishop Foreman:

Yeah, you want to know the truth. The joke is I came out of my mom's room with a Bible and a briefcase. Like I just came out with this affinity towards spirituality, and and I intentionally use the word spirituality because to me it was all about the gospel is good news, and the good news is the bad news is wrong. So there's an approach that says condemn, condemn, condemn, beat down, beat down, beat down. That's not my approach. Um then there's the approach that there's the gospel, there's good news. So that's why I use the word spirituality and then success, business, entrepreneurship. Started my first business when I was 12, got into the ministry when I was 12. Um, at 21, I've Denver's largest black-owned mortgage company. And uh, and I got started early as a pastor, and then even as a senior pastor, and then a bishop, which is for those who aren't familiar with it, it's just basically a pastor, two pastors. Every general needs a general, every coach needs a coach, every leader needs a leader. And um, and so um that that has just always been intrinsically something that's a part of me. I I don't know another way of life, except using my life to change the lives of other people. I literally don't know another life. I don't know another way. And what's crazy is I'm the first in my bloodline to do it, I'm the first in my family to do it. Um, the first in those, you know, in the community that I grew up in and around to do it. And so I think I represent what a lot of people are, which is you're the curse breaker, you're the line crosser, you're the boundary breaker, you're the history maker, you're the one that's got to go blaze the trail because nobody else blazed it for you. And that can feel very uncomfortable until you know you're not alone. So I'm the one to say to those that have to do it, you're not alone.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

I love it. And and and that is uh especially in today's society, there's uh so much uh uh so much division uh out there, and so to really bring people together and uh w whatever way uh a person may feel uh that they can do that for for you to to do that and be that that trailblazer knowing that you are in a way a role model for so many that are looking to do things that you have done, or that uh you know they they they watch a watch an interview and and they're like man, like I how's how do you speak so succinctly? And uh it's just incredible to have somebody with your passion too. That passion kind of come out too, like we said, yeah, with the briefcase and the Bible.

Bishop Foreman:

You know what? Honestly, so I was a really shy kid. And if I'm honest with you, there is even moments that shy will try to creep up on me now. But when I would get on a stage, I would come alive. I remember um in Memphis City schools in elementary school, smokers, the the you know, everybody knows Jam and Jelly and that, well, they they came to the area and they needed a spokesperson. And so, you know, I was a different type of kid. Um, and I learned to not demonize my difference. You know, while a lot of my peers were you know focused on hanging out with one another, I was the type of kid where I was like, I want to be in the good graces of the teacher and the principal and the ministers like I want those to be my friends. That was basically the leader in me that was drawn and uh two other leaders. And so I just was different. And so um, in that, you know, I remember when Smuckers came, the principal and uh my teacher at the time, they they said, Well, you know, we think you'd be perfect for this. And, you know, again, you know, in pri in private or in you know, small social settings, I am very nervous and I used to perspire really heavily. So you can see my nervousness, even as a kid, right? And so I remember though, getting on that stage, and boom, it was I was like a fish in water. Um, I can remember doing things. I remember even back as a kid, the commercial appeal, the newspaper in Memphis did a special uh deal. Back then, like the the technology of the day was like the homework hotline. Like that was cutting-edge technology where a parent could call this line and get the homework for their kid that was recorded by the teacher. Of course, now you know that seems just the most antiquated, you know, short of a short of a chisel and you know, type of thing. Um, but in that, um uh I remember being the face for that, um, and constantly being in positions and places where I was always in front of people. So I've lived the majority of my life in front of people as a leader or influencer in some way or another. And so um the energy of it honestly is just who I am. Like this is who I am. So, you know, it's difficult for me. I think for some people, the challenge they have is there being some withing or someone they're not. And so it's like they have to put it on, take it off, put it on, take it off. This is my energy. I am always this way. In fact, I feel a little low if you wanted to, but this this is always my energy. Um, this is always, I'm always smiling, I'm always um excited. And I think that is just something that has developed over time, but it really comes, I believe, from a place of recognizing that I get to choose my emotions. I can be sad or I can I can be mad, I can be frustrated, I can be angry. Emotions are indicators, and that's it. They they are not facts, they're just feelings. And so I've learned I get to pick it. So I can be mad as I'll get out, but I'm still gonna have a good day. I could be frustrated as I'll get out, but I'm still gonna have an amazing day. Because for me, uh, I just I think that's a choice. And I think for so many people, like life is gonna life. You're gonna have things that hurt, you're gonna have things that are painful, you're gonna have things that are angry, you're gonna be betrayed. Life is a contact sport. If you're not taking hits, you are not playing it right. And if you play trying to avoid hits, you're gonna normally get hit the most and the hardest. Like football. Um, you know, if you're doing all this scrambling around and all of that, trying not to get hit with the ball, normally you're gonna get hit, it's gonna hurt, and it's gonna be behind the line, you're gonna lose progress. And so um, it's just a choice, it's just a conscious choice. I make that choice, I make that decision, and uh, it's a daily decision that I make. It doesn't deny the reality of humanity and frustrating things and angering things or whatever, or uh sad things. Uh, but it just means I just decide, I get to pick my emotions.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Yeah, that that that that's so true. Um, Marcus uh Relius uh I I believe uh said that that very thing in in his uh in his work that uh we are who we are in inside, so whatever belief we have internally, that's our our choice. We can't impact things outside of our control, but we can impact things in internally. And so there are gonna be things that uh you know, there's gonna be high points, there's gonna be low points, and everywhere in between. So if somebody somebody is watching and listening, what would you tell them to get started if they you know they're I'm not not that an age matters, but you know, they're in their formative years and they're like, I want to make a I wanna dip, I want to make a difference, I wanna I wanna serve people. What would you say to them?

Bishop Foreman:

You you know, I would say, and I love what you said, not that age matters, because anytime is the right time to do anything, right? Like sometimes we're waiting, I'm waiting on the perfect time. And there's a scripture in the Bible that says if you're waiting on the perfect time, you're gonna get nothing done. And so for me, I don't care if you're you know 20, 40, 60, 80, if you got a pulse, there's still a plan. There's still purpose in you, there's still life you are meant to live. That's why you're still here. At some point, I think every person has to ask themselves the question, why am I still here? How did I survive what I survived? How did I make it out of? You cannot tell me that you made it through the things you've made it through. Survive the things you survived, come out of what you've come out of, dealt with what you've had to deal with, endure what you've had to endure just so you can go to work, pay bills, have babies, and die. Or whatever that sequence might be. Maybe you pull the babies out, put a dog in here, you know, whatever. At the end of the day, um, you cannot tell me that that is the only reason that you're on the planet. And so that being said, at any age, any time is the right time to do anything. It's the moment you make the decision. For me, because it was intrinsic in me, um, it just became my lifestyle, my way of life. And over life, it took on many forms. It took on forms in business, it took on forms in ministry. I remember um, you know, always looking at the things that gave me a burden and that the things that bothered me. Whatever bothers you, that's where you're supposed to be a blessing. Whatever aggravates you, that's normally the thing you're assigned to. Like, why don't somebody do something about that? You do it. The reason it bothers you is because that's the thing you're supposed to be a blessing in. The thing that aggravates you, that's the thing you are assigned to address. You're assigned to fix, you're assigned to add your voice to the conversation. And so for me, um, I'd say to anybody, it's always a good time to start. Number two, it's always a good time to start with one step, with one step. Like a lot of times I think people don't do things because it's overwhelming. Um, you know, I remember when I when I started looking in, and this is a totally different subject, but same principle. When I started looking into crypto, this is years and years ago, before it was sort of more mainstream. I was like, what is this? I said, this is the most confusing. Like I was completely confused. And then one day I made a lot of money off of it. And then a couple weeks later, I was like, where's my money at? Like, you know, it was that type of a thing. And and I remember thinking, man, this is so overwhelming. I said, the only reason it seems overwhelmed is because I am trying to do the whole thing at one time. I am trying to crash course into this and go from A to Z and be a crypto expert in two weeks. That's not necessarily the way it works. I think for most, the feeling of being overwhelmed is what stops them from taking the next steps. And I say this to people I coach, whether they're executives or everyday people or supervisors, managers, pastors, leaders, whatever your life is, I say this. How would you eat an elephant? And most people kind of, you know, well, wait me, eat an elephant. We don't, you know. And to be clear, I am not suggesting that we should go out eating elephants, right? This is this is an animal-friendly, animal-friendly uh discussion. Yes. But the reality is, is everybody would say, well, one bite at a time. Just because it's bigger doesn't mean I change my approach. Bingo. Same thing is true with life. Just because you're approaching something big doesn't mean you change your approach. You approach it one bite at a time. Same way you'd eat a hamburger, same way you'd eat, you know, some fries, same way you'd eat my favorite, you know, cheese and bread, those two together virtually in any combination. I love it. Same as you get it, same way. So I think um, number one, it's anytime is a good time to do anything. Number two, um, the way you got to do that is one bite at a time, one step at a time. So let's say you want to, you know, um get involved in missions work, for example, and not just overseas, but something domestic. Take one step, do the research, then take the next step, figure out what area most speaks to you. Like, don't get into it. And oh, I've spent, you know, oh, 20 minutes on this and I'm so overwhelmed. Because normally when we feel overwhelmed, what are we gonna do? It's like drowning. I want to get out of this water. And that's what most people do is they get out of the water and they never get back in it because of how they got in it. Put one foot in, then a little bit of knee, then put a little thigh, then you know, before you know it, you're you're in it and you mastered it.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely. How important uh it's kind of a softball question, but how important is prayer to to your your life and for uh others? I know when um so I had mental health rock bottom in 2017 and I was away from the church for you know the the college years plus a few. And once I came out of rock bottom, I had my psychiatrist, I had I had my team, but then there was still something missing, and it wasn't until um I brought faith back into my life that I felt as whole as can be. Uh so I'm just curious on you know the importance of prayer in in your life and for others that are watching and listening.

Bishop Foreman:

Yeah, great question. I think for me, um, it is quintessential. I view it like this any relationship without communication isn't a relationship. That's right. And so when we often you'll hear people talk about their relationship with God. And what most people have is a transactional relationship with God, not a relationship with God. What's the difference? A transactional relationship is like what you have with your bank. Um, you go to your bank, I'm there, I'm getting something, I'm depositing, I'm depositing something, or I'm getting something, and I'm out. Most people don't sit in the bank all day and talk to the bankers and hey, how you doing? You good? How you feeling? You good, you know, not that you don't have you know minor conversations, but most people aren't going in and spend the day back and forth. Hey, Bob, you know, yeah, you doing good today? How's my count looking? You know, I mean, most people aren't doing all of that. It's the same way with God. To me, if if it's just a transactional relationship, you only go when you need something, you only call on when you need something. Now flip that around. Would you want that type of person in your life? And the only time you heard from them is when they needed something from you. You'd be like, matter of fact, when you saw them call, you'd say, Oh, god, here you go. What do you need? What do you want? Because you already know this isn't, we're not building any type of relationship or connection. The only thing we're doing is transactions. You're getting something from me. And at a at a real deep level, you have to look at that as usury. This is usury. And I think this is why so many people can get frustrated in their relationship with God, is because it's not really a relationship. You only go to him when you need something. Conversely, relationship means this is an interaction we're having all day long. And I think that's what prayer does. It's two-way communication. It's not just you talking to him, it's him talking back. It's not just you giving him your, you know, when I was a kid, I don't know if you remember this. Remember they used to have the um the big fit catalogs they'd send from JC Penny around. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So listen, when that catalog would come, I would go to that catalog, I'd start marking pages, circling prices, and I'd start paying attention if they changed the prices or raise them, right? Because I this was my Christmas list. This is what I want. And the reality is, I think for many, that's what their relationship, air quotes, has become with God, is that it is this is the list of things I want. This is everything I want you to do. Thank you. Versus a true relationship where it is dialogue. You're speaking, I'm he's speaking back. You're speaking, he's speaking back. And I don't have to wait to the end of the night to put my hands together like this and say, now lay me down and sleep. This is a conversation that can happen throughout the day. Like, what relationship do you not speak to your uh your the person you're in relationship with all day? Like you just you don't talk to them all day, except, hey, how you doing? How's your day? Okay, great. That relationship is over, and you two are the only ones that don't know it yet. Real relationship is communication. So to answer your question. How important is prayer? To me, it is quintessential in the sense that I don't know how you do life without having conversation with your manufacturer. I don't know how you do life without communicating with who made you, who designed you, who developed you, um, and being able to cast your cares upon him. Like, listen, prayer is the reason I lost my mind. Right? Um, there's a scripture in Luke 18 that says, Men, of course, women, men ought to always pray. Many mankind ought to always pray and not lose heart. Um, translation pray all the time, you won't lose your mind. So to me, it is it's the reason. Some people say, Mr. Foreman, how have you dealt with everything you dealt with and you do all the things you do? It is because of prayer. It is not just because I've developed amazing skills, although I've had to do that. It is because I recognize listen, if I don't pray, I'm about to lose my mind up in here, up in here. Yeah.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Oh yeah. DMX and there. Yeah, come on, exactly. You got the reference, yep. Oh yeah. Uh I recently uh I don't know the time frame, but recently uh I either read or or heard an interview with Michael Jordan, and people are asking about his political affiliation of you know what what what side of the aisle do you belong to? And and then he he said uh he goes, I'm not gonna, he goes, I'm I'm independent. Uh he goes because there's there's Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians. They all buy sneakers. So it I'd be doing myself a deserts of cutting off of like potentially half the country give or take. And I like uh on your uh your webpage how how you cover that as well, that you're talking and speaking, and it doesn't matter where somebody stands politically, and we're also implementing that of if a candidate wants to come on and they want to they want to talk and share, that's great. And we just got done have any candidates, and we got uh it has it's not even live yet, and we've already we're already getting the hate mail, and they're like this, this, this, this, and this. So to your point, if you're not making uh you know, if you're waiting and then you you know get hit and it it's gonna hurt more than uh instead of just saying, okay, there's gonna be things that are gonna happen that are gonna be good and and bad and and when you're doing things. Um anyway, so I I I I like that approach that that you have because it you want to reach all people, you want to you want to help all people, and it comes down to just being a plain old human being. Yeah, where did that philosophy come from?

Bishop Foreman:

Great question. When I saw that there was nothing to win by taking sides, there's nothing to win, right? Other than to reinforce an ideology that frankly may change. So to me, there was nothing to win. I discovered this a long time ago. Full disclosure, I since we're on the topic, I'm an independent also, not a Democrat nor Republican. Um, I am pro-people. I am um uh I'll be I'll I'll say that uh very loud and and strong. I am pro-people, I am not anti-people, I am not, I do not believe that uh I think the government should just stab people's lives in all ways, all days, right? As much as possible, um, with uh appropriate um, you know, regulation, et cetera, et cetera. So that's just a high level. So be clear. That being said, I I remember it was years ago, I had to learn this lesson because one of our core values is we don't take sides, we take over. And that's just a general belief that um we weren't sent, you know, to just be passive bystanders in life. We were sent to have a positive impact. There are some Christians that believe in doing that, that they need to legislate morality and force their view on the culture writ large, and say we're gonna legislate how you live and that's gonna make you moral. That's some people's belief. Um, I don't believe you can legislate morality. Uh, I think at the end of the day, like God gives people choices, you give them choices. And I mean, you're not giving them choices, God gave them that choice. So if you say with liberty and justice for all one nation under God, okay, well, then give him, give people what he gives them. Um, so that's high level. That being said, now I could I can imagine some people already trying to say, oh, healings this way or that way. Yeah, mama. No, I'm just joking. I'm just joking, I'm just joking, I'm just joking. I'm just talking about y'all can tell I'm not for it. But but in that, um, um, what I discovered, I remember years ago, we were doing something to um uh essentially create a five-minute period in the school day that would allow kids, if they wanted to pray, meditate, sit there, play on their phones, whatever, they could do whatever. And it was simply a proposal that was designed. Um, but I looked at the school system, I said, um, the school system is, if you look at the stats, most of them are not trending in the right direction. And a lot of this isn't just um academic stuff. This is life stuff. Kids don't have time to just they just dealt with stuff at home. They just don't, and so it was very simple. The goal was not to get quote unquote prayer back in schools. That was not the goal. Um the goal was to give the option, and um, and it was just to start a conversation. Well, here's what happened. Um, we got it through the uh initial process to get it on the ballot in the state of Colorado. The state notified the media before we were notified that it got there. So there was another step we'd have to take it before it may get to the ballot. The hate I got, I mean, you got threats, death threats. I got um threats to burn down the building. We're gonna come picket your building with signs. It was just the craziest stuff, too. Like, I was just like, we're gonna picket with signs of you know, babies and things. I just, what are you talking about? I was like, what are y'all talking about? We had teachers call and boldly leave voicemails threatening us and threatening me. I mean, it was intense for a few weeks to where like it was like we had to like literally lock down and like security around me was like a bubble around me, like you know, because we got a huge number of threats. The media came after us. They went to every person that had any name similar to mine and were nodding on doors and standing outside. I would see news trucks outside of my house, Mr. Foreman, Mr. Foreman, I in there. I'm like, y'all, all this is is the first step for a ballot initiative. And I'm not what y'all are saying we're trying to do, we're not trying to do. And um, and so they shot, I mean, it was it was a crazy, it was, it was really crazy for about two weeks. And in all of that happening, I recognize you all took this and made this political. They even got a pastor to come on and said to oppose me. And I said, oppose me. You didn't have to oppose me because I wasn't what you're saying I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to do. Um, and he got on and said, I don't want the schools educating our kids in prayer at all and religion at all. I said, That's not what we're did. Y'all read it? I said, that's not what we're trying to do. Here's my point. I quickly learned how people already have decided what they want to believe when it comes to a lot of those political issues. Something that was not political, was politicized, and we found ourselves in the crosshairs of it. And so as the years progressed, I realized there's nothing to win taking aside. There's nothing to win. So my approach has always been I will work with who works with me to advance the lives of the people that I lead. And if you're a Democrat, let's work. If you're a Republican, let's work. Now, in my experience, the facts are coming out of Denver, the majority of the folks that were willing to work work the uh, you know, on the Democratic side. But we certainly did what we could on both sides. Um, that's just my experience. Um, yeah and so that's the approach that we take. So we make that clear on our website. Are we politically affiliated? Because now it's almost like if you're a Christian, that means you're a Republican. No, that is not what that means. Um, and you have to be clear about that in today's world because people automatically associate different things in ways that they don't have to be associated. But I say to you, I get it. And whenever you start touching that, especially right now, you're gonna have people on either side. And sometimes it'll amaze you, the people who should understand you and know you, and they sometimes are the loudest critics. And you're saying, Did y'all listen to what was said? Um, I remember during this last, and I know it's a long answer, but I had to just but I remember um during the last presidential cycle between Vice President Harris and Donald Trump. Um, I remembered that um, you know, we we were just talking about the importance of people going to vote. That was it. And we got messages from people um that, you know, it seems like you were saying this, and it seems like you were saying this, and I feel very strongly about this. I said, I didn't say any of that. I said, I said, go vote and educate yourself. Because at the end of the day, um, if you don't educate yourself, um, you may vote against your own interests. Don't vote against your own interests. Don't, you know, don't support something that ultimately is not going to be beneficial. And some of the messages that came through, again, reiterated to me that there's nothing to win here by taking the side.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

That's so true. Uh it's so so true. And then uh yeah, uh it it it's it it's interesting to have uh a compadre, uh you know, been there, done that. Unfortunately, it's not not not the funnest thing, but uh yeah, so that it's it's it's it's it's it's mayhem. Uh then I kind of feel like I'm not doing anything worth doing if I'm not running into some things, you know, or on the business because like you said earlier in our conversation, you know, the easy thing to do is just to walk away, to do nothing, to just sit on the couch, just uh yep, uh we're not gonna have anybody on the show that uh says this or says that. It's like so why have a show? Like why have a show? Yeah, we're not gonna have people uh from all walks of life, and we we we even say that say, hey, if you're interested in coming on a show and you're a candidate and you want to talk, we'll give you the same airtime. We don't care where you're at, we're in Ohio, and this individual's in Oregon, so they're running for governor, and so it it doesn't matter where where where where it's at. Um as our as our time uh unfortunately comes to a close, what's the best way for people to learn about uh your your work, to follow you, to you know, be be a part of uh your your movement, Bishop?

Bishop Foreman:

Yeah, yeah. Well again, I got just want to say thank you for having me and thank you for again. I said it at the beginning, say it again, thank you for creating these conversations. I just gotta add one thing to the thing you just brought up about you know if it's if it's not worth um, you know, if you're doing something that's worthwhile. If you want to never be talked about, don't do anything worth talking about. At the end of the day, um that's that's where the wins are is having these conversations. And I say to those that maybe are listening and think, oh, I can't believe you had this person on the show, whatever it might be. Sometimes um you have to step back and ask yourself two questions. One, what's the harm in hearing how somebody else's thinks? If it's that much of a threat to what you think or believe, then perhaps you need to check your own thoughts and beliefs. I can, I'm a Christian, unapologetic all day, every day, five times on Sunday, right? Um, I can listen to an atheist. That doesn't, that doesn't, oh I can't listen to this. No, I want to hear, I want to hear what you think because it helps me to be more effective at what I do. And it only concretizes what I believe, or if it does blow a hole or create an area of doubt, now it makes you go do some research and say, okay, what what is the real issue here? So I encourage everybody to think at a higher level and realize that just because you're listening to someone who opposes you, that that's not a loss. It's a gain. Um, because it gives you insight. Like sometimes you need to see how people who are on the other side of an issue think about it to figure out how did you get here? What happened to you to get here in your mind? Because maybe I don't understand where you're at, I don't get where you're at, I think where you're at is crazy. Okay, but how did you get there? It's important to understand that. So I just have to say that um because I think sometimes people think, even considering that, listen to someone different or someone on the other side, I make it my business to routinely listen to a variety of thoughts and opinions about an issue. Not because it's necessarily going to change mine, it's it's gonna help me make mine better. It's gonna help me make mine uh more expansive. And sometimes, can I be honest, it helps me to be more objective about an issue. Because now I'm not just looking at it through the silo of what I've already chosen to believe or what I already think. It helps me to expand. And I think that's why people call me the people's bishop, because I have the ability, I don't care what your background, white, black, tall, short, uh, no matter your background, everybody included, nobody excluded, to connect with people. And they say, you know what, that doggone bishop foreman. I tell you what, when he's preaching, it's like he's talking to me. And and and and that can be from anybody. It's not just one race or one background or one. Well, it's amazing to me. Um, we've seen over almost 13,000 professions of faith in our existence, 1,859 in 2025. We're all knocking at the door of 100 just a few days into 2026. That is because uh, again, the good news and the bad news is wrong. Something we want to do for your audience, though, is uh we want to sew something into that. I'm a giver. So we want to sow something into your audience, and that is a discount. Um, we've got tons of books from being a history maker, evolving into the best version of yourself, making money moves, the art of getting your finances in order, uh, Centre the Fathers, Breaking Generational Curses, Patterns of Behavior, tons of books that I wrote. And I'll just tell you for the men in your audience, fellas, I want the books to be short. So because sometimes they say men don't read. They are short reads, fellas. You will love these books. Ladies are gonna love them because there's lots of stories and and like they're they're perfect for everybody. And we want to show that. So people uh and give you a discount, is what I did to be specific. And so if you just text the word bishop to the phone number 55498, and I'll get you connected to our text spam, and you'll get a text back that um shows the discount code. People can get books, music, messages more. We have an app that's got tons of resources, messages, so much that we didn't even get to talk about. And people can do all of that um through going to bishopforeman, f o-r-e, m-n.com, or again, special just for your audience. Text the work bishop to the phone number 55498, and uh and they can get the information for our online store and get access to the books and all that and find out more. And last but not least, on social, you can shoot me a DM. I actually respond to them. And I get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of messages a day, so it takes me a minute, but I actually make it my business to respond uh to socials and uh and what have you, and uh and so people can connect and move in that. So would love to uh connect with your audience and again, thanks for having me.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Oh, you're welcome, Bishop Foreman. And it's a beautiful conversation. So happy we're able to make it happen. Uh I breath of fresh air to just have a human-to-human conversation and and share information. And I I I'm I'm with you that uh we can we can choose not to listen to others, or we we can choose to listen to others. Or if it's that much of a harsh topic, we can always just change the channel. We we don't we don't have to uh there's thousands of shows out there and even more than that. Um and so that's the way I look at it. I tell our audience to say, hey, like it's okay. Like you're probably gonna like some shows, and you're probably not gonna like some. If you don't like it, that's fine. Just go somewhere else. Don't come on and share the you know the the hate and you know the threats and and uh just just move along because I don't have time in the day for me to do that to reach out to people. It's like if I if I don't agree with the that much, I just do something else. And it's the easiest thing to do. It's yeah, it's like I just don't have to do anything. I don't even have to turn on uh YouTube or Apple or any of that. Uh but it's been a truly a blessing having you on, Bishop Florent. Thank you for uh the mission work, uh for the coaching, uh for uh just being so so authentic and so transparent, especially as you mentioned at the beginning, about uh you know you coming out with uh you know a briefcase in a Bible being born that this is just like what you're this is what you do and it's where you thrive. Uh and uh and and I think that that's a cue to anybody in our audience or other audiences is when you find that something that you're doing well and you like doing it, that's probably something you should maybe at least take a look at and see if see if it's something that okay, like do I want to do that for a career? Uh or or maybe not. Um but uh thank you so much. I I I'm just tickled that you you you come on the show and uh we were able to get it to get it to work out and uh love to have you on the show uh again as as time and schedules permit to get into some of those other topics and um and so thank you, Bishop Foreman.

Bishop Foreman:

My pleasure. Thanks for having me again and would love to do that anytime. You you I'll let them know. You send the inverter, we'll shut down whatever we're doing, because I'd love to be with you.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely. And thank you, our viewers, our listeners. Please uh check out Bishop Foreman. Uh we'll have all the links in in the uh in in the description so you can especially the that texting code to get you that that discount so you can get that code uh to check out um the uh the content and the media that uh bishop foreman has. And uh and until uh our next show, we just hope that you are and continue to be a voice for yourself or someone else in the talk to you about it.

Head Shot

Justin Alan Hayes

Host