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From Grooming To Evidence: Catherine Davi’s Fight To Be Heard | Episode 371

• Founder of Voices for Voices®, Justin Alan Hayes • Season 4 • Episode 371

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From Grooming To Evidence: Catherine Davi’s Fight To Be Heard | Episode 371

Evidence changes the conversation. Catherine Davi returns to share the receipts behind her story—videos, posts, and messages that reveal grooming tactics, social media control, and pressure that began when she was a minor. We unpack how adults can weaponize access, how parental tech gaps get exploited, and why a meticulous evidence trail becomes a lifeline for survivors who need to be believed and protected.

We also confront the system. Catherine describes an interrogation that triggered dissociation, a Georgia detective who recognized harm but cited legal loopholes, and public posts that try to hide behind “fiction.” We talk about the line between free speech and targeted, harmful instruction, the importance of filing a report even when outcomes feel uncertain, and smart ways to store, back up, and share evidence without retraumatizing yourself. If law enforcement stalls, there are still steps forward: advocacy groups, written follow‑ups, and layered documentation that helps the next survivor be heard faster.

Healing isn’t an afterthought; it’s the engine that sustains the fight. Catherine shares what’s helped—somatic therapies, pelvic floor work, massage, prayer, and music—to calm a nervous system shaped by sustained stress. We explore trauma’s impact on memory and speech, the value of compassionate clinicians, and how faith and community create resilience without letting perpetrators off the hook. The goal is simple: equip listeners with clear actions and remind survivors that their voice matters.

If this resonates, subscribe, share with someone who needs it, and leave a review with one insight you’re taking into your own life. Your voice helps more survivors find the tools—and courage—to come forward.

Chapter Markers

0:00 Opening And Why Evidence Matters

1:39 Tribute To Advocacy And Policy Allies

2:26 Setting Up Screenshare And Format

3:08 Catherine’s On‑Camera Evidence Reel

6:45 Forensic Findings And Diagnoses

9:25 Social Media Control And Inappropriate Posts

6:24 Legal Stressors And Possible Drugging

12:20 Police Responses And Professionalism Concerns

21:12 Timeline Of Grooming And Control

27:20 Reporting, Charges, And Legal Loopholes

34:16 Trauma, Memory, And TBI Considerations

41:40 Faith, Somatic Therapy, And Recovery

48:40 Community Support And Speaking Out

54:34 Practical Steps For Survivors

1:00:00 Closing, Outreach, And Next Steps

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Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Hey everyone, it's Justin of Voices for Voices. We're joined today by uh guests that we had on episode number 368, Catherine Davi. Uh we're also joined uh by our co-host today, uh David Solomon. Uh we're gonna be digging into um not just the uh uh the thoughts and the feelings of what has happened and is happening uh with Catherine's story, we're gonna be diving into the evidence, which is uh so much uh it's so much an additional uh uh power uh to to share that okay, she's back ended up with proof, and and so we're uh excited to be able to jump into that. But first, before we do that, I just wanted to share uh there's gonna be a little bit of a glare. But uh the reason why I'm showing that picture or why I showed that picture of uh Ted Cruz or Ted Cruz from the state of Texas myself is he is a big even though he doesn't live uh I don't we don't live in his state per se. Uh he is a big proponent of uh children, children's safety, human trafficking, uh making making sure that people are held accountable for the deeds, uh the misdeeds that they that they do. Um and so wanted to just share that and give again another shout out to Senator Ted Cruz and his team for letting us uh have that opportunity to present him with the 2025 Voices for Voices, Voice of the Year Award, as well as have 15 minutes uh in his his busy schedule. So we want to thank uh Senator Ted Cruz. Thank you for everything that you do for Texas, but also for everything you do for us around the United States, and we know you also have a good imprint across the entire world. So once I get my background back to my filter, which I'll be working on, and actually I'll work on that while we we get rolling. So uh David and and Catherine, if you want to take it away, and just for our audience, for listeners. Uh if you're listening, you won't be able to see the toggling, but you will be able to hear the the evidence being played. So um for those that are viewing, you will be seeing some back and forth sharing of screen. So that is uh completely normal. That was the plan for our show. So uh take it away, David. Catherine.

Catherine Davi:

Okay.

David Solomon:

Well, uh Catherine is gonna show Okay, I got it.

Catherine Davi:

Okay, knowing there was something wrong and I was a minor. Now wink, now the other eye, now the both eyes, now smaller. I look like a more fierce. Now swallow really hard. Eye contact. Now bite the tip of your finger. Now bite the middle of your finger. Now bite the base of your finger, pull it out. Now slowly snap your finger. Eye contact. Slowly start nodding, yes. Yes. Now a little crazy on the eyes. Why am I doing nodding, more nodding, more crazy and relax? Look back at them very quickly. Now look them up and down. Lick your teeth and snap. My parents weren't the best at operating social media. So then afterwards, I just go and explain about how my parents weren't the best at operating social media. So they had my half-sister supervised. However, that was not a good idea, and I just warned parents against that. And then the other things, my forensic psychologist diagnoses. So here's the diagnosis I had from the forensic psychologist. Feel free to pause the read this. There's also this extra information and this. And then on top of that, some somatic symptoms that kind of overlap with each other. But he just told me to just start focusing on lowering the anxiety in order to really see if I want to pursue further with any TBI testing. Okay, uh that was just about the forensic psychologist, and then here's more evidence about the behavior. There's evidence of me acting inappropriate for my age when my adult half-sister was controlling my social media. Someone's saying cat fish. Yeah, that's me. I'm not six foot, but I'm five foot three. No, I did not slap her. I just high-fibed her face.

David Solomon:

You like to go out all at night.

Catherine Davi:

And then afterwards, I go and explain about, I'm pretty sure I remember explaining about the similar of the beginning, how talked about many parents don't know how to operate social media. It's best to have them supervise their children's super social media instead of having another person like a family member or friend to do it. Um, and then here's more evidence legally. Um, it could have been just a trauma response, but I was definitely stressed because I was forced on camera by this family, and this adult woman wanted me to also record on her phone, on her YouTube channel, uh, this video and to call out some random kid that I didn't know about. So it kind of freaked me out a bit. And then afterwards it seemed like I kind of went into like this dreamlike state, and that's why I kind of thought and assumed that I was possibly drugged. So what you're doing is pretty screwed up, just want to say that. Uh, number one. Um, number two, I'm posting so everyone knows that you're acting like a jerk to my friend Doc. Uh I'm just wondering why the heck you have to do that. I won't post on YouTube, I won't post on TikTok and any other apps I have. So everyone knows you're not a good person. Because no one should be acting like this. No one should treat people like they're just trash. Like I said, just because mommy and daddy aren't watching every single little thing you're doing doesn't mean you have to like be a jerk. Just because you've been watching too many reality TV shows and you want to start drama and stuff like that doesn't mean you have to do that. So uh yeah, just stop it. Quit bullying him. He's a human being too. Just just because whatever the heck is different. We're all the same because we all bleed, we all cry, we all have emotions, we all eat, sleep, all the same things. So please knock it off. Thank you. Okay, and then this one is just kind of explaining some of the evidence that my half-sister had that was kind of incriminating stuff about like how to rape women and just other horrific things. But I censored a lot of it because of TikTok is very sensitive. So you could pause to read that too. Um, now this goes in more details about certain things, and I can skip through it, but there's text about my half-sister saying how to like telling my brother that I needed to like run away from home to live with her and kind of manipulating him as well. Uh, there's also other evidence about how she said that she wouldn't win uh the lawsuit if she tried to sue for defamation. And I also had a little bit more of it, including the how to rape women stuff that she posted. I was trying to record and then TikTok censored my video halfway through. So I just hope this works this time. My half-sister was posting saying that her attorney doesn't think that she would win this case. However, she starts saying that me and my family are part of this religious group where my family left in 2011, but they these people wanted that my half sister connect with their daughter, and my half sister has it publicly known that they are connected and they claim that they are sisters. She's saying local detective said that me and my mom have a mental illness, and on top of that, she said that the detective left and apologized to her, and then she said that I named a detective from Idaho uh saying that she was pro these crimes that are censored up on top, even though that's never what I said in my video. What I did say was the fact of what happened during the statement about the fact that she was being inappropriate and unprofessional. I just stated exactly what happened. I did not add my own twist to the story. I also never named her either. The last part of her post about the situation. But if she's so worried about it not being true, why is she posting about all women should just have this happen to them? I posted about wanting to be B-worded, which is very specific to my case. She responds with this. And on top of that, she claims I was R-worded by this one girl. Um, and on top of that, I don't remember being R-worded by her, but I do remember outward touching and different things happening from the outward surface. But she told me to tell this one woman who was her friend that I was R-worded, that woman was saying a lot of inappropriate things that should never have been said to a mother. On top of that, my mom took away the phone due to the fact she wanted me to live out in a different state without my mom's knowledge, without my parents' knowledge. And my mom took away the phone and on top of that saw a couple other inappropriate messages. And she was interested for my brother to give me a new phone from her friend. I also said that there was a 16-year-old brother of ours that claimed to be SAID and doesn't have contact with our mother, but in fact, we have a 21-year-old brother, and he's never told her about any SA, and on top of that, he still has contact with our mother. So, and then she starts adding lies about our parents. On top of that, she also mentions about having this aunt that talked to herself and apparently was wearing earrings at the same time when that was happening, and now she's hearing things and having paranormal activity happen. So police, please look at her and give her a forensic psychologist exam. I was trying to Okay, that was my main videos for and then I'll see if I can stop screen sharing and then hopefully No, you're good.

David Solomon:

Um I have a I make a few comments and then I'll ask a question. So, like what you shared is really raw because police laughing at you. You look at this video, and I hope the audience saw that and studied it. You're you're how old in that video that you were doing randomly for that person on YouTube? How old were you?

Catherine Davi:

I was 15 when it came to You were a minor, yeah.

David Solomon:

Yeah, so it looks like you're drugged. Um like I see the way you speak, and number one, you don't have an accent.

Catherine Davi:

Um I kind of developed a little bit of an Italian accent. Uh, that wasn't just um from drugged. I know for a while I had that off and on. Okay, but I think it was also from the grooming, too. So I did have a little bit of that, but my speech was very slurred, in my opinion. So that was something that was abnormal. And sometimes it would be more intense at other periods when I was stressed. And I I know I was aware of that now.

David Solomon:

Your eyes are very dark in that, and so it just doesn't look like you know this is happening, like it legit looks like you're drugged.

Catherine Davi:

That that yeah, I was feeling very fuzzy. That's what I could describe. Very fuzzy, and I didn't have any words prepared for the video. I know sometimes I get a little shaky, you can tell I stutter, but um with what happened there, it was definitely different, and I didn't feel like myself.

David Solomon:

Yeah, so it it there's something really weird about that video just watching you going, okay, that that doesn't look right. Um and then the police telling your mom and you um that doesn't seem right either. That seems like injustice. Not calling out names, but that that seems uh like injustice on the uh on the on the Napa police or the Idaho police or Boise period for doing that. Um I had an experience, uh in fact all the viewers know this, with uh with certain police in the in the Napa police department, my mom and I, and that's not the first time I've heard police from this area uh label people they don't like mentally ill.

Catherine Davi:

Uh back yeah, my half-sister said that um they told her specifically, which I don't believe it uh fully, like all these detectives said that we were mentally ill to her, but um they claimed that to her from what she said. And I don't really know, but I know one detective was kind of implying that to my mom, just one. Um, but it sounded like it was another group of detectives. It was kind of weird how she phrased it, but there was something weird about my half-sisters post, so I called it out because detectives shouldn't be making fun of other people and telling other about somebody that doesn't sound professional, in my opinion.

David Solomon:

Yeah, it's not their place. Um, it's actually a psychologist that that makes that decision. Um when I was taken and got back, I was labeled EDP, which everyone knows by now. And it was actually uh both in Oregon City and also Napa, Idaho. And it's EDP means emotionally distressed person, which means anybody who breaks down and cries is crazy. That's that term that they use. So that's probably what they did. Um and so that just really hit me hard.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, and I know like during the interrogation, when uh like I'm going to call it interrogation rather than a regular interview because I was thinking it was a regular interview, but it felt like the detective was very hostile. And I've explained how I went into like this dissociative state where I felt like I was kind of in and out of it, couldn't form my words properly. Like I was trying to say this person like that looked like this. I was trying to talk, and it really was just like all over the place.

David Solomon:

That's kind of what trauma does. Um, I actually had to do that yesterday. It's it's trauma. So when you have a traumatic event, your brain freezes and you're like, Where am I?

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, that's I felt like um I was just trying to pull myself together.

David Solomon:

Like I was still in like that fight mode where I needed to explain and stand up for myself, but at the same time, I was just kind of like frozen at the it's such a weird feeling, but it was when um so when you did that, like with your half-sister, we're seeing what and let's talk about that because I did some research on my own and and found some interesting things. Um, so traits of a sociopath your half-sister has, where she has no emotion, basically. Um, and she's talking about raping, she's talking about sexual assault, she's talking about all this stuff on the open. You can go to Reddit and read it.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, it's on it's on Reddit. I try to censor her username just to keep her anonymous, however, it's pretty public that she makes it known. And even though it's friend like Walter Banks, she's had like a did a video, like had him. I don't know if she told him to do the video, but he did a video and it shows kind of like their connection a bit, and it's kind of like revealing her identity because she's kind of giving herself away. Right. And like she started to slander me and my mom in the comments, making up fake stories. For example, claiming that my mom was arrested, and that never happened. My mom doesn't have a record of being arrested. She made this huge story up, and she didn't provide any evidence of it. So she was just slandering, and it was just she was calling me evil, I think, in the comments. There's other comments too that were saying that as well. And I think even like her siblings in the comments, and I think one of her siblings, I realized it commented on my account and kind of revealed their identity. And that's yikes. Um, I think it was like Janice or something. I I don't have a connection with them. So they're they're her both siblings. And if anything, I would not want to have a connection with them unless they were pennant. I just know that they seem like they're trying to slander and keep this silent um because it seems like they all kind of have these sociopathic traits, even if they have other mental disorders as well. They just seem like they don't really have empathy, and they just want to try to downplay crimes that happened.

David Solomon:

Absolutely. And I I read some of her Reddit last night, it's just really mind-blowing.

Catherine Davi:

You found it?

David Solomon:

Yeah, I did.

Catherine Davi:

Okay.

David Solomon:

Wow. It's mind-blowing that she uh does that. Yeah. Like my question to the audience is how has she not been arrested?

Catherine Davi:

That's the thing, because I like even the detective that was in Kennesaw, Georgia, because now she's in there in Kennesaw, Georgia, he was talking about how she like he would have liked to have her arrested for that, but he said that he couldn't because of like stupid legal loopholes. And I I it's very stupid how that works.

David Solomon:

The legal loophole for the audience that she's using is uh I study law, and that's how I know it. Is she's saying that it's fiction. So this is her fantasy. So you can say anything online because America has freedom of speech. But you would think that that's not the case because freedom of speech sometimes she doesn't label it as fiction either.

Catherine Davi:

Sometimes she just says it, and then it's not like but I guess you can try to identify like that, but I know her intention, and I she's giving clear instructions. Some of these posts they don't realize, you know. That's why, but a couple of them said fantasy, so I think she's trying to kind of hide under that cover as well.

David Solomon:

Trying to hide it, yeah.

Catherine Davi:

Like, yeah, but it's still evidence, it's still, and even the detective saw it was like she was talking about real sexual assault, but it wasn't like he's he didn't say that was like, oh, it was just a fantasy. He said it was like it was real sexual assault, like from what he was describing. However, he couldn't arrest her at the moment because of some legal loopholes.

David Solomon:

Yeah, and so like tell me when did this all start? Like, when did you notice that your half-sister for the audience they may have not listened to the previous? When did you notice your half-sister was acting weird or uh not human, I guess is the right term?

Catherine Davi:

I mean, I couldn't pick up on it right away, so it was kind of back and forth. But I know 16, I started to catch on that she was kind of nutty. Like once I like to around 16, 17, but it was kind of push and pull at that point. But I was starting to see red flags. For example, she logged into my phone because I think she was already onto it because she gave me the phone and she posted on Facebook that I ate crap, um, literally fecal matter. And she started to message this one guy. And I would like to say his name, but I don't want to, I don't know if he has consent for that, so I could see. But he like he my half sister messaged him saying that my mom would do all these horrible things to me and that I could live with him and be his little entertainment.

David Solomon:

Wow.

Catherine Davi:

So I my mom saw that on the phone. My mom gave me the phone back because she she didn't know what was happening, she just knew there were some red flags. My half sister, she took away the phone for a bit, but then she gave it to me because she started to see, like, hey, she's going crazy. And she showed me what was being said on there. And I was like, How is she typing? Like, how is my phone typing when I'm not even have my phone? And then it showed that she was logged into the account.

David Solomon:

Wow.

Catherine Davi:

So she was logged in onto TikTok, onto Facebook. It looked like she was logged into my Google account and also Instagram. And I remember when I was trying to tell this one friend of mine, and I think I could say his name, his name was Jonah. And I told him that, like, hey, my half sister hacked my phone, and uh and then she deleted the message. And afterwards I tried to send it again. I don't know if it went through, but she deleted the message. It showed that it was deleted, and then it showed she was logged in. So I kept on having to lock her out. I don't, I don't even know like how she logged back in, but it must have been because she was in like the main phone itself, and she was probably logged into the main system of it because she gave me the phone.

David Solomon:

So, like she seems like a very evil person. Yeah. Just by so then you noticed things were going on, you noticed things weren't right.

Catherine Davi:

No, I thought, and also little patterns of her like lying and stuff. I got kind of like suspicious of that, and I I realized I found like more evidence on her that she was like lying about certain people, but it wasn't enough like as much to wake me up at the time because I was still being groomed and even sexually assaulted at some points. It was off and on, but it I was still seeing that there was something wrong with her a bit, and also also like if I tried to post a certain video that it like she would have gotten mad if I didn't like like ask her beforehand or you know, like see like if it was a certain genre that she liked certain videos. So she would get upset if I posted something, so like if it was out of what she wanted me to post sometimes. Like I it was just crazy, but I'm I'm glad that I'm able to talk about my experience. And I mean, a lot of the videos were like kind of like instructed some of the stuff how to post, and also like you know, just a lot of grooming. So it was a lot of like back and forth manipulation. But I also even the videos where she didn't directly tell me what to post, I still had the influence of her. Like, for example, I was wearing like that big old push-up bra that was like a crazy size of a push-up bra. And in a video where I was I showed the clip of me dancing and with that one black shirt, uh, it really was not like appropriate for my age. And I didn't know what I was doing fully, but I still would have videos like that. She never told my parents that there was anything wrong with that. But if it was to get me in trouble, like in the sense of like, oh, um, you know, if she was mad at me, then she might use something against me, but she wouldn't tell my parents if I was in danger on social media.

David Solomon:

It makes sense, yeah. And it's like it very it really is manipulation and grooming on a whole new level.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah.

David Solomon:

Definitely.

Catherine Davi:

You look at that and you go, Whoa, this is took advantage of my parents' ignorance about social media because they really just didn't know how to fully operate it. They only knew like a little bit about like texting and stuff, but and like they caught on to a couple conversations that we had because I naturally I was like showing like the signs of like weird behavior and stuff like that. So, and also I wasn't always the best at hiding everything, but I did a lot of hiding. But sometimes I would forget to hide certain items, so they would like find my like items that my half sister would get me, like big old push-up rods or like the dong she would send me. And then, like after a while, after like I, you know, it's hard to hide, you know, constantly. So there was times where I slipped up and they started to catch on to certain conversations, like how to run away. Um, that I was looking up on the computer and they found out like calls and stuff. That's like something that really got their attention, but they didn't know how deep it went. They didn't even know all the videos about what happened either. And I don't even have all the videos of what happened, but I know there's probably quite a bit on the internet still lingering to this day, um, just on the surface on the internet somewhere, swimming around. Don't know where.

David Solomon:

Yeah.

Catherine Davi:

And that is grooming because you become an expert at with your own experience, what grooming is people kind of tricking you, um playing on your innocence, yeah, and making adults can be groomed too if they have like vulnerabilities or whatever, they can be groomed as well. But a lot of times, like children are vulnerable and predators take advantage of that. And that's what happened in my case, where my half-sister took advantage of the you know, vulnerabilities that I had, because I've already had things that were happening. And I of course I think she played a role with a lot of it too. Like, for example, that one video where I looked rugged, like she was friends with a lady who had that on her YouTube account. Like, you know, so she she was friends with the lady, so she knew what was being like what was happening at the time, and she was friends like she was connected to other people. So I don't know how deep their friendships were, but I just know that they were connected, like for quite a bit of these people.

David Solomon:

Wow, that's disturbing. Like, wow. So and you've been going through this for how long now? How many years?

Catherine Davi:

Well, I mean, I started to call it out like a little more, probably around 19, but I know 18, I started to get more like I try to get more healing and stuff like that. And it kind of helped. But 19 was like the time where I just felt like I needed to report it because I was like being encouraged on how to like talk about it, how to build up evidence. At first, I was just planning to go to the hospital and then I was checking out the ADA County Victim Service Center, but they automatically reported to the police. And then I was like, I want to press charges because I that was my opportunity to do that. So I pressed charges. I decided to have charges pressed on these people. Um so it, but for it felt like for the whole grooming thing, it probably started mainly around like 13 to 14, probably like 14 to like 17. But even before that, there were still things that were happening to me. For example, I mentioned in like to the captions, sometimes like 11 years old, I've remember certain events happening of different things. And I know like my half sister's behavior before all that stuff kicked off with the social media thing when she lived with us. She was kind of like angry at me, but then she kind of switched it up. But I just assumed that it was like, you know, just a sister thing. I didn't think that was anything groomy. But it was definitely kind of red flag looking back at it. But my parents knew that she had a couple of behavioral issues beforehand, but then she seemed like she was she could have been improving, that she was maturing because she was older. So they gave her a chance to monitor my social media because she was an adult. But when she was younger, she kind of seemed like she was a bit more immature and uh just you know, I thought it was just a normal sister thing.

David Solomon:

And so, like and you're what 20 now?

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, I'm 19 going on 20 on Christmas.

David Solomon:

Wow. So not not long that you've been processing this. Wow. So what is your hope like with your TikTok and telling your story? What is your goal?

Catherine Davi:

My goal is just to get the evidence out mainly and also to help other people because I like to pray for people. I like to, you know, show them what I'm learning as well. And you know, I'm hoping that other survivors will speak out who are able to. That's my main goal.

David Solomon:

That is why I became a writer.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah.

David Solomon:

Yeah, totally relate. See, I've watched your videos like just boom and seen the comments. You don't get a lot of hate. You really don't.

Catherine Davi:

No, I don't. Except like sometimes I might get like some hate from my half-sister or like her friends, or I get like maybe every now and then I get some troll comments, but like it's pretty rare. It's pretty rare.

David Solomon:

It's rare, yeah. A lot of people are stepping up going, I want to tell my story, or that was a brave. So, like what you're doing in your generation is gonna make a difference because people are seeing that you're being a voice for those that have none. And they're going, Oh, well, maybe my voice should be heard too. I've seen it in the comments alone. You know, you're doing something that matters, and you know, God is just using that. I've seen it. Um Justin's seen it. It you're making a difference to your half-sister. I I truly think she should be behind bars right now. And the other people involved too that did this to you, and and you don't remember everything because it's so traumatic, also.

Catherine Davi:

It's layered, that's what it was. Because I do remember some things that happen with like even adults, but it's like very blurred and layered, and also the possibility of being drugged too. Yep, yeah. So that probably played an impact as well. You could see in the video I wasn't acting right. Um, so that's something that I I feel like it kind of just wiped out some parts of my memory for it, but I know it can always resurface too, if needed, because it's been resurfacing layer by layer by layer by layer. I mean, it's sometimes for like traumatic events. I've seen like for other people that sometimes when they're older, like decades later, that just resurfaces and they're like, that happened to me.

David Solomon:

Yeah, and I I can relate to that, and it it kind of happens that way. That's how the brain processes trauma.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, because if it was processing all at once, I think a lot of people would probably be uh like hopeless and overwhelmed. They probably couldn't handle it like that. And it's like the brain's protecting it by just giving it layered, layered, layered, you know, instead of like all at once.

David Solomon:

I agree. And you know, so TBI, they call it traumatic brain injury. Uh, a lot of victims and survivors have it because our brains get hurt from all this trauma.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah. And I had like a chiropractor who was a Christian guy, he's he still is a Christian, but he uh wanted me to go to his church and he had like this whole um, you know, he was talking about how to get delivered, and he was talking about how trauma is actually like a form of TBI from like PTSD. He said, like it affects your brain like that. But I mean, when I say TBI for me, I'm saying like I had falls, I've had things that happen, so I'm assuming that there was a possibility of a TBI, and that's why I'm not 100% sure, 100%, but there's a chance, you know, especially with like, for example, I didn't have real bad hearing sensitivities, but like I noticed more like 14, 15, 16, 17, and even 18, like the hearing was more sensitive.

David Solomon:

That makes sense. Well, T B, I like you don't know what went on, but like injuries that you have that would make sense.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, yeah. I don't know everything that went down, but I just know I hurt my head before I fell. I had a lot that happened, so it probably kind of shook my head too. I just it was a lot.

David Solomon:

Yeah, I mean, and you won't like you'll know, but like you probably won't remember for a while because your head is healing and brain is something that protects itself.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, exactly. And I'm also learning about like, you know, how the body like in the muscles stores trauma and like how your nervous system stores trauma too. So it's physical as well as emotional and spiritual. But your body remembers this, and it like once it's you know, you release the trauma. Like I talked about like somatic therapies, I've talked about different forms of releasing it out of your body. That can help you to think more clearly.

David Solomon:

I agree, and I think like and it takes time to heal, but that is the best way to go about. Um trauma has played a role in my life where it's just destroyed me medically for a long time. Yeah. I mean, it's publicly known um I had COVID and then um I got an infection from it. My immune system was so bent and broken because of uh the trauma. I lost my mom and the person that hurt me, Brian, you know, that that ate me alive, it ate my my system. And so when I got the chance to publicly forgive him, it released the trauma. And it it relieved me, like it was better than any medicine. It was like, wow, I forgive you, I don't forget you, and I give it to God, and there it is. Yeah, it was the hardest thing I've had to do in my whole life is forgive him. That's good, and and so my point is trauma, you your our bodies hold on to that until we let it go.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think even a lot of like diagnoses, like bipolar schizophrenia, there's a lot of times, like you know, and psychologists are learning it too, that there's a connection with like traumas that happened, whether it was like in the womb or out of the womb. Yeah, there's different traumas that cause this. So I I believe it's spiritual and also like a physical element, too. So there's real trauma there that happens, so it's not like they're just crazy, but they're they had trauma.

David Solomon:

I agree. And a lot of people look at mental illness as just crazy, they don't actually take the time to understand why the person might be crazy. Not to say that like there aren't crazy people out there, we we know that. Oh yeah, there are victims that are labeled crazy because either they're drugged or they're terrified or they turn to so much. I mean, uh I know one in particular, Britney Spears, great example. Um, look at her, right? Look look at Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, look at these people that turn to drugs, don't go to the cops, and they don't ever want to talk about what happened to them, so they let that eat themselves up. They want to forget, they'll do anything to forget the trauma.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah.

David Solomon:

Um we see that everywhere now in Hollywood, especially. Um, so you know trauma, trauma plays a big role. And for you stepping forward, being brave, talking about these things, exposing these things, trying to bring things to light, trying to be a voice for those that have none, um, it's making a difference. It really is.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, and I'm glad that makes me happy because I'm like, I want to see more people speak about their experiences, and I want to see them get healing, and you know, have explained like with other people's religions, they can find healing with that. And too, and for me, it's Christianity, but I feel like in general that religions are kind of like a form of self-healing, like when you find like a certain thing that helps you, that you can still get something out of it, even if I don't personally agree with everything. I still seen people who've actually healed with certain things because they found kind of like a foundation to address certain certain ways to heal. And, you know, and for me, that like deliverance and like massage therapy, that's helped me heal a lot. So that's you know, and now I'm trying a pelvic floor therapy because that that actually has been a release for the trauma that was stored inside of my nervous system. And now it's starting to kind of help me feel more relaxed and not as scared as I used to. Of course, I still get nervous and I, but and doing a lot better than I used to. And I'm starting to feel more confident that I'm able to heal compared to how I was back then. I felt like I had no resources to help me. And the pain, like even like, for example, like my leg and stuff like that, and like my body in general, just feeling like these pains in certain areas that remind me of like traumas, it was so triggering. And I was like, it really triggered me. And that's why I was so eager to have this evidence to show what happened to like certain parts of me, and I didn't understand everything. But I'm glad I was able to have some understanding of myself now that I know how to heal and what I had, so I'm able to address the areas so I know what to do. And I think if it wasn't to have those labels temporarily, that I probably wouldn't have known how to get to the root problem.

David Solomon:

Makes sense, and you've come a long way in like what you're saying, like religion playing a role and and faith. It really does. Um they actually did a study, I think it came out yesterday, where those that pray their um their brain is more healed and less uh what was it, traumatic, as the study said.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah.

David Solomon:

And that kind of shows.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, exactly. Like that's why I I do know like prayer and like you know, worship music. I've I've heard like, you know, studies about listening to certain music can affect the brain as well. So if you're listening to negative music all the time, it's almost going to just like affect your brain. But if you're going to listen to something that's going to be like to help you heal, yeah, then it's actually going to help you more. So that's why it's important to have a foundation of different things to get you to your healing. And you know, no matter who you are, you can find healing in different ways. And for me, I believe healing is with God, full of healing, but that's my personal beliefs. And I still feel like healing it would come even in other religions because I've seen other people who've done a lot better after they dealt with certain things, you know. If they were like pagans or if they're Muslims, it kind of just brings closure for them and like helps to address certain things that weren't addressed before.

David Solomon:

I agree with that. Um I'm a Christian too, so my Christianity has really played a role in my healing.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah.

David Solomon:

I've seen God trying to just work miracles in people's lives that are survivors.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, definitely.

David Solomon:

So like go ahead.

Catherine Davi:

Oh, I mean, like God really got me out of that situation because like I don't think if it if it wasn't for God, I don't think I would have had any like escape to be able to know what to do and to talk about my experience. And I'm glad that I was able to do something about it. And I see that, you know, there are good people out there too. And I've learned about how there's free will and stuff, and you know, kind of helped me to heal more because at first I was like, why would God allow something like that like to happen to people? You know, I kind of question that as well. But I was like, I realized like about free will, I try to understand a little bit deeper. So even though I don't always understand everything, I feel like overall I know that God's there that and He's He's been always there with me. And once I chose to have more healing in my life and I understood more about him and I learned more about him, that it really just brought closure and it protected me too. Because otherwise, if I would didn't know anything about him, I would have just felt unstable and I would have felt like I didn't have that healing.

David Solomon:

And and I can relate to that. And like to now, you know, God has really played a role in your life in your healing, and to people listening, like you continue to reach out to people on TikTok to to help them better than that.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, and I'm really hoping like, you know, my my account can reach other people that, you know, because I don't think there's like I think there's more people out there, and I think they need to hear, you know, to start speaking out, start doing certain therapies to help them and kind of just to hear different ideas and perspectives about healing in order to get them to the right path of what will help them.

David Solomon:

I agree. And if uh for those who are listening, what is your uh TikTok so they can follow you?

Catherine Davi:

It's dot Catherine dot Davi. So Katherine Davi is basically my name. I don't know if you can see it on there on the screen, but that's how you spell it.

David Solomon:

Okay, and they can find you on TikTok. They can find you on TikTok, they can uh search your story, reach out and just hear what you're doing. Because like every video, I feel like you always expose something and you always try to bring something to light of you know, grooming, or this sounds wrong, or this is evidence, or you know, just all these different subjects that you tackle. Yeah, and also for this generation.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, and then of course I do like Christianity videos, but I just kind of say like my per opinion and what I think about it. And you know, of course, I respect it if other people have a different opinion on my, you know, of what I'm thinking. If they have something that's the opposite of what I'm thinking, I I respect that, you know, and I think it's good that I share both because it kind of helps healing and helps expose both things and tackle it down rather than just only the grooming and stuff, because I can show that there's you know a good thing out of it, you know, so that people have hope.

David Solomon:

Uh and I agree with that, and like it's just really inspirational because you don't see a lot of this generation doing that. You see everybody, you see everybody on TikTok and you see everybody, you know, creating themselves, but you don't see other people making you know, uh posts to try to make people better and just bring things to light. Everybody's just focused on themselves and to see you doing this, that's really inspirational.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, I mean I I've seen videos where there were self-help and different things for other people, but I think it's just because my account goes in more evidence about what happened, it kind of gets people to take it a little more seriously. I know Walter Banks was like, she has no evidence, she has no proof, and I'm like, No, I do have evidence and proof, you know. I've I have it all over my account and I pointed that out, and I know there's other videos too on my account, but I just want to show the main one so people can get the picture of what I've been through. And I just post some of the evidence. I gave other evidence to the police because some of it's just too much to show on TikTok, you know. So I just I'm glad that I'm able to show what I can. And I know there's like, you know, if I ever find anything else, I've I would like to know if there's anything else on the internet so I can give that to the police, you know, because I know there's stuff out there, most likely still more than what I've posted and shared. And I've seen other videos on YouTube of me. So I want to make sure all that is out on to and be exposed. Even if these police officers don't want to listen at the moment, even if there's some corruption or whatever the case is, I just know that God will work it out and He will find a way for me to get justice, whether it's like through the police department or it's through like spiritually or whatever. I'm glad to talk call it out for what it is. And so it's not just like, oh, this isn't like people assume I'm an adult on the internet or assume that I'm a crazy teenager without really understanding what's happening.

David Solomon:

And and that's what it's all about. And so, you know, uh, I just encourage you to continue exposing this and showing the evidence. And to the officers that are listening, because I know they're watching, you know, this needs to be investigated properly.

Catherine Davi:

Absolutely, absolutely, and that's why I could encourage them to like even look into like having my half-sister get a legal forensic psychologist diagnoses once they build up enough evidence to have a warrant. I mean, there's I think there are grounds for them to get a warrant, in my opinion, because the stuff that I shared on my TikTok didn't even say like consent, uh consensual. But even then, like she could hide behind the label, and I know her intent. And even the other officer, the other detective, saw that there was some type of intent behind there, and he he saw there was something suspicious and wanted to have her arrested, but he just said that there was like that loophole. So it's very confusing, but I'm just hoping that God will work it out.

David Solomon:

And God, and God will work it out. And uh, and you know, you're doing the right thing, and hopefully people are paying attention to the right thing. And you know, I'm praying that someone looks at this because all I see is your half-sister and others acting as criminals. That's what I see. Uh Justin, anything to add to that?

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Yeah, just uh wanted to add again to uh to the viewers and listeners, part one with Catherine is episode 368. So we do recommend you watch and listen to that. Uh it is incredibly brave, inspiring to see and hear somebody come forward talk about such uh such tough topics and want to help people. Um that's what we're obviously trying to do is to get uh Catherine's story out to as many people. Uh we want uh the individuals to be investigated and uh have the full wrath of justice uh towards them uh who uh treated her so so badly and uh can affect body, mind, soul, spirit, and she's working on uh all that healing. So I guess the uh the last question I really have is if somebody's going through uh something similar or know somebody, what would you say like would be the first step that they should do? Like what once once they come to like realization, whether it's themselves or somebody they know, and they're like, wait a minute, something doesn't seem right. What would you say would would be in maybe the first step or two?

Catherine Davi:

Uh I would say yeah, I would say probably like building evidence, of course, to like have it exposed um and talk to somebody about it, you know, whoever you trust, because maybe you're not ready to go law enforcement right away. But I think even though in my case, I know that there was like an unprofessional detective. I don't know if like all the details about her, but I just know that there was something off. And I would say in my case that even though, yes, I was scared, I still am glad I had it as a report to document it in case other people come forward. So I would recommend if you feel brave enough to come and just bring the evidence to do so. And also you can focus afterwards to do like somatic therapies, that you focused on your religious beliefs and building up your identity to do the opposite of what you were conditioned to do, you know, when it comes to doing something evil or, you know, having legalistic views about certain things, that you do the opposite of what you were taught and conditioned to do and trying to bring balance into the situation. And I think you can feel a lot of peeling afterwards. And I think that's what I would recommend for someone who had another person in their life who went through another event and they're starting to process and realize what happened to them and just give them all the support that they need, you know, and just encourage them. You know, if they're not ready to go to the police, that's fine. But I think it's a good foundation just to in case anybody else is in danger to have a police record out there. So it would just build up layered evidence gradually.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Excellent. Thank you for that. And uh I I'm mistelling our viewers and listeners, it's it's obvious, but we have two survivors that have been through some of the most horrendous conditions, and uh uh and and here we are on one show, one platform. Uh we're getting David's story out, we're getting Catherine's story out, and we would love to get your story as well. If uh if the time's right, reach out to us. We would love to have you on the show as well. To highlight whatever you want. Uh if there's certain areas you don't want to talk about, that's quite okay. Uh we'll we'll talk about what you're comfortable talking about. And like Catherine said, just inspire people to say, you know what, I'm ready to to come out. And you know, I I saw or I heard uh Catherine and David, and and I can do that too, or I can do a little bit of that, or like the Catherine mentioned.

Catherine Davi:

I could Yeah, and it doesn't have to be everything, it could just be like little things at a time to expose. And if we're not ready for to do like a big show or to go on YouTube or to post on social media in general, just go to somebody that you trust and just confess what happened and just just go from there and build up evidence, document it, and try your best not to delete what you have. You know, try your best to store it into a file. If you don't want to see that stuff on your phone or whatever, you can have somebody else help you so you don't have to see everything. You know, sometimes I get triggered seeing like some of the stuff that pops up. So I have my mom sometimes help me when I start getting like triggered or overwhelmed by seeing too much of like nudity or sexual acts. So then she'll give that to the police and you know, for me, because I don't want to see all of it, but sometimes I have to address it or I have to like, you know, sometimes I just suck it up and just try my best to like censor it, but it's still triggering. But if you're not ready for that, just have someone else help you to like give it to the police because you shouldn't have to feel like you're getting triggered when you're trying to get your evidence out there.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely.

Catherine Davi:

I I think that's an awesome suggestion uh that individuals can can do, have somebody out in those areas uh because yeah, and I know like triggers usually are going to happen no matter what, but like it's gonna prevent less of a trigger. And I think safety is the number one important thing that you feel safe and that you're not gonna be in distress looking at all this stuff. Um, you know, just to have someone else help you, to have like an advocate, like whether it's like a parent or if it's another family member or friend that can just build it up for you, if you're an adult that you can do it like that. If you're a child, if you're a teenager, I would say like have a a parent or have like a teacher or somebody, somebody who's there like to help you, that's an adult, um, you know, that you can go to who you can trust to build this stuff up.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Excellent. Well, thank you so much, Catherine, for coming on on the two shows. It's uh it's got to be taxing on on the mind and in the body, but we are grateful that you came to us to let us just be a small part and uh giving you a platform to share evidence, share what has occurred and and just being a light for so many that uh feel that they're don't have a light or that their light's really dim and and it's and they really do have have a light. So thank you very much for watching.

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, thank you for having us.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

You're welcome, absolutely. And and any any time, just let us know. Uh we'll we can always do uh uh episode three, four, five. Uh we can we can do that uh at whatever whatever point uh if you're ready.

Catherine Davi:

So good about having evidence right now. If I if I find anything else, like I could always see and just contact you and let you know. But I'm glad you just let me add on to my evidence because I'm like, I want other people to see, and because if they're if they're just hearing me talk, I want them to really get the feel of everything. And I think this part part two of this episode two really tackles down the evidence along with like kind of what I would say, what my opinion is, and I don't feel as nervous as I did last time. That was pretty rough last time uh at some point.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

You did you did mine. I I get like that too. I get it times where like I'm frozen, like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna ask? Or what do I say?

Catherine Davi:

Yeah, or like, you know, of course I I think I needed to let it out about the whole detective thing, and I was just like, you know, had that moment of like just feeling like I finally was able to like talk to like another other people about it more in in detail, and it kind of just like felt healing to do that, kind of like a counseling session. And I'm like, I just started like crying and I get like emotional sometimes, but I usually when it comes to cameras, I try to just like show that I'm like you know, my neutral or happy side, or you know, try to like not show to. Much of my emotions are like sad or whatever because I I want people to like really focus on what I'm saying.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Oh yeah, and they are, and they have uh believe believe us. Uh so again, thank you, Catherine, David. Thank you for for co-hosting. Is there any uh the last uh words of wisdom thoughts that you want to share before we close out? Oh, thank you for the both of you.

Catherine Davi:

Thank you. Um what were you saying? I don't want to buy one.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

I oh I was just saying if you had any any parting thoughts, I know we've said it like three times, but I don't know what David said. Okay.

David Solomon:

Oh no, I was saying thank you for coming on and just telling your story and helping others.

Catherine Davi:

You're welcome. Yeah, I think that's the main thing I would just say right now is just all that. And hopefully, you know, I was a little nervous when I was screen recording because I didn't want to like show any like personal information. So I hope it's you know, if you can like if you got on there, you can crop that out maybe.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Um I'm gonna I'm gonna check check on that. There might have been maybe a like a second, like when you're going back, but it we'll we'll take care of it. So all right.

Catherine Davi:

I appreciate that. Thank you.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

You're welcome, and thanks, David, again, as always, for being uh uh you know, your your healing is uh a big part of this as well. And so uh thanks for joining in and I hope I'm making this conversation more more fruitful because uh you have unfortunately some some of the similar situations and and and uh things in common uh that that I don't. So I just want to thank you for being along with us for the journey, David. Okay.

David Solomon:

You're very welcome, and thank you again for coming on, Catherine, and telling your story.

Catherine Davi:

I appreciate it.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely, and we this is seriously a record that last time. I think it was it was an hour and some minutes, and we're at an hour and twelve. So it's this literally it's it's supposed to cut off at 40 minutes, and so there's definitely a reason. Uh yeah, because I didn't change any any setting. Uh I'm on some the basic version and it says 30 to 40, 45 minutes, and uh so it's definitely a blessing and uh uh a good reason uh the that God wants us to you know share and talk and and definitely get this out.

Catherine Davi:

So I really appreciate that.

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes:

Absolutely. Uh and thank you to our viewers, our listeners. We're approaching a hundred countries, thousands, cities across the world. Uh, but right here in the United States, uh, we do have that freedom of speech, and we're grateful that uh Catherine is is able to use that as well as David and ourselves at Voices for Voices. But we also want to make uh note that if somebody's using the First Amendment in a uh an ulterior motive or wanting to hurt people or talking about that, that uh that there's a conversation with law enforcement that that happens because uh that uh although we do have uh the First Amendment freedom of speech, if we're talking about hurting people, if we're uh having people drugged and and all kinds of other things, those those things uh we feel uh should be covered by uh law enforcement. So uh and thank you for everybody who is at any level of the government in the White House, uh, governments, uh parliaments across the world, uh, governors again, Senator Cruz. Thank you for all you do, and you're a big uh proponent of uh trying to nip this in the butt so there's less people to have to go through this, and that we can help the survivors uh so they uh don't have to feel like they're uh their traffickers or the people who are out after them that they can live live a prosperous life, what that looks like to them. So until next time, we hope that you will celebrate the voice with everybody that you know, and please be a voice for you or somebody you know that doesn't and isn't able to share their voice. We'll see you next time, everybody. Bye bye for now.

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