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Brains Aren't Robots: A Candid Talk About Mental Overload (Ep. 306)

• Founder of Voices for Voices®, Justin Alan Hayes • Season 4 • Episode 306

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Brains Aren't Robots: A Candid Talk About Mental Overload (Ep. 306)

The weight of mental overload isn't something we often discuss openly, yet it's a universal human experience that affects us all. In this deeply personal episode, I pull back the curtain on my own mental health journey, sharing real-time struggles with panic attacks, creative pressure, and the feeling of running out of mental bandwidth.

Through candid reflection, I explore the patterns I've noticed when my mind reaches capacity—recurring panic attacks in similar situations, discomfort in large crowds, and creative blocks when producing content under pressure. These signals emerged as warning signs that my mental resources were depleted, a realization that came through careful self-evaluation and professional support.

The moment that transformed my understanding of mental health occurred during a group therapy session in the hospital. As each person shared their story, the profound truth hit me: none of us are truly alone in our struggles. Behind closed doors, countless people face similar challenges, some even more difficult than our own. This revelation shattered the isolation that often accompanies mental health difficulties and opened the door to genuine healing.

What makes mental health conversations so difficult is the deeply personal nature of our experiences. Yet these discussions are vital—they remind us that having limits doesn't make us weak; it makes us human. We aren't machines programmed to function flawlessly without maintenance. We're complex beings who sometimes need help, support, and the space to acknowledge when we've reached our capacity.

Whether you're currently struggling with mental overload or supporting someone who is, remember that recognizing our limits is an act of strength, not weakness. Check out our website at voicesforvoices.org/podcast to access our full catalog of episodes addressing mental health and personal growth. Please subscribe, share, and join our mission to help others feel less alone in their journeys.

Chapter Markers

0:00 Welcome and Introduction

4:14 Mental Health and Professional Support

8:21 Recognizing Panic Attack Patterns

16:39 Creative Pressure and Brain Overload

28:00 The Reality of Not Being Alone

43:09 Final Thoughts and How to Connect

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Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Hey everyone. It's Justin here, Voices for Voices. Thank you so much for joining us today and on all of our previous 300 plus episodes in our catalog. Whether you've been with us from the beginning or this is your first episode, welcome. This is your first episode, welcome. We're glad that you're here and we are grateful for all the time that you spend with us, thank you.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

We're going to be diving into some very transparent topics here, as we always do on the show show, and some of them aren't very glamorous. They don't have that sparkle or glimmer coming from them, and that's okay, and that's why I tell myself we try to work through things. Situations, experiences, problems, obstacles, whatever term we want to use. We do the best we can, and I think we just need to be, we need to be okay, we need to be good with that, because we're not super human, we're not machines. I'm not machine. More robot. I'm not insinuating anybody is, but why I'm bringing that up is there's expectations for a robot that's programmed to do task A 10,000 times before it needs fixed or looked at having a checkup Human like me and you. It's not always that easy. We have annual checkups and certain testing and different treatments and potentially medications, and so we all have something a little bit different. The intervals in which we're checked out, evaluated, whatever term you want to use is a little bit different from person to person. Now, when we talk about the mental state now somebody's crazy type of deal we all have a mental state, we just do, and some of us have a mental state where we may have regular appointments every month, every two months, every two months, every three months, every two weeks, every four weeks, whatever that may be, whatever that time interval may be.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And what I really want to get at is it's hard to judge ourselves and say, oh, I'm okay, oh, I'm not. It's better to go to professionals that we trust and that's where I'll leave it. There's there's, uh, great care providers and some not as great, and that's okay. Find somebody, find a team that you connect with, that you connect with, that is not judgmental, that's truly looking out for your well-being. And I think that's really what we strive for with trying to find a little bit of balance in our lives when it comes to those those things. Because, right, we're gonna have, we're gonna have these peaks where it's gonna feel like we're at the top of kilimanjaro, and then we're gonna have these valleys where it feels like, oh my gosh, how am I ever going to get out of this situation? Or how am I ever going to get back to even get back to level ground?

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And what I've noticed in myself is it can be something different each day. And so by having that team that you can reach out to if you need a visit, if you need just a touch-based call or a text, I'm grateful to be in the position where I'm able to do that and it's very, it's very important to me. I guess I didn't know how important it was until one of the first times where I needed it and I didn't know that I could reach out. And I didn't know that I could reach out on non-appointment days, non-visit days, because I didn't want to. Well, number one, I didn't want to pay for it. I was like, oh well, if I reached out, I'm going to get charged for a visit and you know it sets in the motion all those things. But then, secondly, you know, especially if we're talking about a weekend, because, remember, our minds, our bodies, our spirits, they don't just operate on, you know, certain hours of the day or certain days of the week, or certain times of the year it's a 24-7 thing, even if some of that time is spent resting, and so when I was able to find that out, it gave me a little bit of relief, I guess, to know that, hey, justin, you can reach out and if we need to have a quick conversation, or it's able to be communicated and understood by both parties via text, a Zoom or one of these other conferencing platforms, we're able to see face to face and that as well, or even FaceTime or those that are on our phones, and I think that's really important. Having that access has helped me be better than I would be as far as kind of having almost like these self check-ins.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

I'll give you an example. I'll give you two examples actually. I'll give you two examples actually. First one I haven't had or haven't felt like I was having a panic attack in a long time. So I'm talking about self-evaluation, that's where we're going with this, and so I was like, ah, it's a fluke. And then it happened the very same time, in the event Just a week or so after it did the first time, because the first time I was like, oh, this is a fluke, and it did the first time. The first time I was like this is a fluke, and so when that happened I was like, oh okay, it wasn't a fluke. So there's that there's being around a lot of people and I mentioned this once and I'll probably mention it even more because I like to talk about what's actually occurring.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Current state and I'm talking about current state for me and hopefully it helps you feel empowered to self-evaluate the best you can. It's like I try to do the best I can. It doesn't mean we're perfect at all. What it means is we try to learn different skills. We just learn different ways to understand ourselves and our bodies and our mind is how I would state it, how I would state it. So we have that panic attack thing happening, kind of two events same time of the event close together. And the other part was they're both with large groups and, you know, having Voices for Voices as an outlet and not only having others for their voice. But this is huge for me to be able to even share this way and I hope to help at least one person. And so I'm talking about my mental health.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Again, there's a ton of other podcasts and TV shows out there. If this isn't for you, no harm no foul. Go ahead and find another one or check out another one of our episodes, but this is about real life, real experiences, real events. And so the panic attack happened. And the second thing I'm trying to correlate when did these happen? Are there certain similarities? So the first was a panic attack at the same point of the event back to back I'm going to. Then the second part was they were both around lots of people and having this show and having just so grateful to have teaching students over a thousand undergrad, graduate level students in the universities One in particular I'm not gonna name them at this time and other opportunities where I'm able to share my experiences again to try to help. That's what it's about, and I'm able to do that the best that I can.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

I. I'm saying I'm better when I'm the focal point, the center of attention, and you know, some people say, oh, you're a narcissist, of course, but I'm just telling you how I go. I try to be like. I'm just telling you how I go. I try to be like. One of the first coping mechanisms I have is if I'm not, you know, the center of attention and I'm at an event Like a concert or a ball game or a church or something. I'm present, I'm present in the moment of what's going on Is prayer being recited, are songs being sung, and trying to just be present in that moment. And so that one didn't work when I had these two panic attack situations back to back and then around a lot of people.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

That's the kind of second thing, second qualifier, to make that kind of what it is, kind of what it is. And so I wrote a third thing in kind of this self-evaluation, right, because I'm noticing a feeling of the panic attacks coming on, those symptoms that I had so many times before they were coming on. And so I was like, okay, this is a panic attack, and sometimes I say you know, I'm safe, I'm okay, there's nothing to be panicked about. You know, I'm, I'm trying to reassure myself and that's one of the coping mechanisms, another one that I'm present. I'm present in the moment, not in the future, not in the past, but I'm present in exactly right here, right now. I'm present at the moment that I'm filming this show right now, and I'm talking about mental health, about mental health, my mental health.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And then I would say the third thing that's kind of related is it's related to our show and our podcast, and so we draw from a variety of sources, a variety of individuals, events, experiences, current events, past events, future events. Current events, past events, future events. So when it comes time to film this episode or when we go into the TV studio and we film five or so episodes in previous previous months, so every filming session it's so different because some of them are solo, some of them have in person guests, some have one in person guest, some have two in person guests, some have one person or more on zoom on the screen, and so we're doing this in the virtual thing. And so when it comes time where I'm in or getting close to the week, you know the, let's say, three to four days prior to when a filming session in a TV studio is to take place, right, because if something comes up and I'm near the computer and near the camera and microphone, I'm able to do things quick. It's able to be fast, the episodes able to come together quick and a short amount of time, whereas when we have the tv studio episodes there's a little bit longer of a lead time.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

What does that mean? That means we film live in the moment, but each show airs in the future. So that means that the guests, the topics, the events, the sensations, the emotion, all those things in the TV studio episodes are news anchor in Northeast Ohio. She broke so many barriers when she was so gracious to come on our show and we were doing an NT studio episode with her and her book was finished. So she knew when it was going to, she knew it was done, but the publisher said we're going to launch it on a future date. So we were able to schedule so that either the book I can't remember if the book came out on a Wednesday. If it did, then we would have aired my Mind I mean it has so many episodes that I'm not sure the exact specifics of when that first aired TV-wise but if the launch date was on a Wednesday, then we would have put her episode to air first on the day that her book came out. And so while we would have filmed before that date and so we're filming as if the book is out and the different points and platforms and ideas and things, experiences, were shared until two to four weeks later usually is when those episodes are generally released. And so that's a tangent that I went on, but it's all related because, if okay.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

So let's say, we're filming in the wintertime, there's a lot of snow and we were planning on having four in-studio guests. One gets in an accident and hopefully they're okay. One could get the car might not start, they might need to shovel out, and so I might end up going into the studio thinking, oh, I have four in-studio guests. I get to the studio and I'm getting messages, one thing or another, and it's okay. We want safety and health and security for everybody before the show. I mean, the show's important, but we need those things, that Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that base.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so I find myself in these dilemmas at times where that day, in that moment, I have the studio for a certain amount of time and we need to put episodes out certain amount of time and we need to put episodes out. So then my mind starts working and I I start to think like, okay, well, we're going to talk about this. Maybe I can modify and talk about this and integrate it with this other idea. And so these things are going on in my head and this is what I talk about, like we're, we all have a mental health, and so I many times that's happened where I'm in the studio and, for one reason or another, a guest is not able to get on the end, don't even to log in, because maybe something happened, maybe their, their child, is not feeling well, and so they come and pick them up from school and they go to a doctor's appointment. And we know it's life, right Things happen.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

We do the best we can, and so in these times where I need to pull relevant voices for voices, episode-worthy information and content for these episodes, I need to make it happen. I guess it's the way. Hey, we've got to make it happen. We've got the studio, we have the time slots on tv on top of right we're on, you know, video platforms and a lot of audio, audio platforms, all virtual assistants, all that and and so kind of. Bringing that back to how does that fall into the panic attack and the group being around, big groups of people and those two things kind of being the same at that time and the self-evaluation, and so there's times when I'm able to pull that out and pull that off.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Sometimes I know going into the studio for one reason or another usually it's a cancellation, vacation, unexpected things and so what I try to do is I try to have ideas and thoughts of episode content have a list that I'm able to go to to put in. If I need to and most of the time I'm able to do that I'm able to go to the list, and there's been times where the list has been dry, where we've worked ourselves through, and so then we start that process over, of starting that list over, and so there's times when we haven't started the list over and the closer we get to in-studio filming, my mind isn't working in the same speed, the same way than other times and so, self-evaluating when that happens, that means that my brain is overloaded Overloaded, let me say. So too many things going on that I'm not able to, that I don't have the proper amount of brain space, bandwidth and I don't know what the. I don't know what the number, I don't know what the number is or anything like that. All I know is this is a symptom of having an overloaded brain and having a lot of things going on that are affecting my ability to be as creative as I would like to. Not only that I would like to, but that, like I said, a majority of the time I'm able to make it happen.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Right, showbiz, make it happen and what's made that a little bit, even a little bit tougher, is how many out of TV studio episodes that we're doing. Right, we're over 300. It's just astronomical. It's so amazing and we only have you to thank for that. So thank you all for watching, listening, following, sharing, give us a thumbs up, subscribe. Those are all free things to do. We would greatly appreciate it if you would do that past our show along as well. It's very helpful, very helpful.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so those times where it's like you're reaching and you're mine, I'm like okay, and then you keep saying okay, okay, and I'm thinking when's the idea going to come? But having this astronomical amount of episodes in our catalog, we do a fair amount of out of TV studio episodes, so there's a lot of episodes and a lot of content that we sometimes already cover or recover part of it With an episode like this when we're not in the TV studio at this particular moment and and that's not just it, so then I can't chalk it up to. Oh well, just you know, we're doing a lot of these additional episodes, uh, out of studio, and so that's why, that's the reason why. So that's what's you know. I guess, uh, you know, taking my brain, the space in my brain having a pie chart and having 100% of taking that 100%, and there's just no wiggle room, there's no space like there was before, and I also say this so that could be a contributing factor, but it usually isn't.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

What do I mean by that? I mean that there's been months in studio, in TV studio, filming of episodes, where we're doing a lot of out-of-TV studio episodes, and so right, that content has already been shared and yet I can still go into the tv studio and, if need be, it, you know, kind of have to be ready for anything. You have to be ready. Of all the guests show up, you got to be ready. Of none of the guests show up, you got to be ready. Of all the guests log in, you got to be ready. If none of the guests show up, you got to be ready. Of all the guests log in, you got to be ready. If none of the guests log in. And that's just the way, way it is, and I I've just gotten used to it, and so there's been months recently where I I've been able to go. Oh, I want to dig a little deeper on this particular topic, but when it gets to the point where a couple days before the in-studio filming, things are like fuzzy and again the open head space is what feels like zero. And then getting to the studio and having the same thing, and so that's what I'm talking about.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Mental health. It relates directly to this show, it results directly from me, of real life panic attacks being I don't know if it's called agoraphobia something about being around large groups of people, and so it kind of comes with that. And so it kind of comes with that. You know, if I'm the one presenting and sharing, then I'm okay because I know what I want to say or what I want to convey. And then those other times when I'm just a participant or just being present in an audience, in a classroom, wherever, on an airplane, on a train, a bus, monorail, we're talking about Disney World and that, and so those are real things. And so when I talk about this, self-evaluating, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

So this is recently number one panic attack feelings close to them, back to back attendances to an event happened around the same time that around a lot of people. That's two things. And then the studio having having to bring the content and bring it to life in the TV studio episode. So that's how I know that, because all three of those things haven't happened in unison. I don't know that they've ever happened in unison before.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

I could be wrong when it comes to the show, but that's the self-evaluation of just recognizing that, saying okay, will this happen, Are there any similarities? And so I've been able to, in different settings, be able to identify these three things. And so I know that I'm overloaded, that's okay. It's okay to be overloaded, that's okay, it's okay to be overloaded, and I'm not tooting my own horn, but I'm happy that I was able to identify those so that when I go to my regular scheduled visits, mental health visits, that I'm able to share these things and talk about them. And that's what. Being up front with any practitioner or others, no matter what kind of doctor it is, whether it's a mental health, psychiatrist, therapist, combination medical doctor, orthopedic doctor you get what you put in. And I've put everything in, and I'm continuing to do that, not only with this organization, voices for Voices, and our TV show and podcast, our organization as a whole, and just on the day-to-day, where I try my best, the best that I can. Sometimes it's enough, sometimes it's not anywhere close to being enough. So these are the conversations, that it's hard to talk about, these things because these are very intimate, very close to us, topics and information that I'm talking about, and I'm not saying you have to come out and do everything that we're doing as an organization. I just want to let you know that you're not alone. I'll close on this and I like reiterating things because I find that repetition helps me understand.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so when I first entered the hospital, at my lowest mental health wise and really health wise again my nutrition was basically non-existent. I withdrew from so many events, so many, so many things that I was doing, and I just withdrew from from teaching, from this, that, the other, and, and so when I made that decision, I need to take care of my mental health, I need to take care of my health. So I was admitted voluntarily, voluntarily, voluntarily. So I was admitted voluntarily, voluntarily, voluntarily, and I was. So there were a lot of things I was so worried about, but one of them was this whole deal with the stigma and this whole. I'm the only one that feels this way. I'm the only one that has these thoughts, that goes through these situations, and I'm not a prophet, I'm nothing. I'm just a human being and, and so what we do isn't anything terribly special. I think what we do, and I think what we do well, is just keeping it real, as the old saying of me growing up. I was like, hey, just keep it real, and so that's what we're doing. We're just keeping it real.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so when I went to the group therapy the first day first morning I was in hospital there was a rectangle or a square table so we were able to like we're sitting next to people, but then we're also able to like look across and see, and then look to the left and the right, and then there was an instructor and the first thing that was asked was let's go around, give your first name or your initial, whatever you want, or you don't even have to give your name if you want, because, again, we're talking about very sensitive stuff and there's some people that would use that information to try to hurt somebody. To try to hurt somebody. So from the I don't even know the word. So, just from a privacy side of thing, we went around. The table was like share you know, like who you are, why you're here, share who you are, why you're here. And I was probably started on this side and I was on this side, so there was probably five or five in the one part of the square or the part of the rectangle, and so they each started and they shared.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

I'm not going to get into specifics, that's been so long, just out of respect. I don't want any inferences made because these are special personal moments where we're not at our best, we're at our some of the worst we're at, and so the individuals they start sharing their why am I here? How did I get to this point? And by the time they got to me so maybe five or six, I guess there were more people there than I remember. I thought there was only ten, but there might have been more than that, given how I'm trying to picture it in my mind.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And any of that gets to me and what I've heard are some very tough experiences and I was thinking, as each one of them was sharing oh my gosh, they're so brave to be talking about this and being being here. Some it was against you know. Some they got pink slip, which basically means that you don't have a choice to be admitted, or, like me, that I had a choice. I could have did what I did and voluntarily admitted myself, or I could have not, I could have left the emergency room that night. So when it got to me and I shared the bit about me, and as we continued around, as each person was sharing, I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this. I can't believe this.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Not only am I not alone, but some of these individuals were in I'm sorry, I'm sorry, were in a way worse condition than I was. And so it's not to downplay anybody or upplay anybody. It's just to say that. It's just to say that that was the true moment where I didn't just believe the thing of like, oh, you're not alone. And people are like, oh, yeah, that's, people say that all the time, and what's that mean. And that moment is when, or those moments are when I is like I'm not alone, we all, not just the folks in that room and that wing of the hospital, but just as a humanity, none of us are alone, as alone as we may think we are, that we think that the situation we're in, the events that have unfolded, things are happening too fast, not fast enough, whatever those may be. Yeah, those are tough things and we're all going through some of those tough things. Some of them we're going through right now, some of them we have recently, some that maybe it's been a while ago.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

So for me, with the panic attacks with the group of people that happened before the crash, the brain overload, that happened to me probably before the crash as well, but I didn't, I didn't realize that, I didn't, I didn't really notice it. He was there. There's so many things going on that I wasn't able to even do I kind of take stock. I'm like, oh, how am I going to handle that? So I got these allergies and whenever I'm on not this, uh, with this ring, the circular light, with the camera does it sometimes. So I apologize for that. And so when I put those together, close with a panic attack, brain point and event two times, so yeah, panic attack around groups and then with the brain overload and the show that shows is where I'm noticing it. It's happening in other places, but I'm noticing it more when we're filming these, not all of them, but some of these shows where I'm like, oh, I'm feeling overloaded.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so, number one, it's good that me, you, whoever is able to kind of self-evaluate and take I don't want to take, I don't want to say a mental note, because our brains are already overloaded. Maybe do a note on a notepad on our phones, on an old school notepad where you actually write with a pen or pencil, or you share with somebody and have them write it and then that brain overload it's. These things are real, and I go back to the very beginning of this show. We're not robots, we're not machines, we're human beings, and so be it. If a machine or a robot can do all these things, that's great. But our human being, humanity, just wasn't. That's not what we were meant to do. It's to just keep continuing to do more and more and more and more and more and more and more.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Eventually, our bodies reach a breaking point, and I guess I just want to say I'm lucky that I was able to self-identify those three areas. There's others, but those are the primary ones. And then I was able to share with my mental health practitioner and we were able to have an action plan out of there, and so I know I'm not alone, I'm not the only one going through lots of newness, a lot of things that we have control over, some things we don't as much. That's okay, I'm just going to keep being me. Our organization is going to just keep being voices for voices. We are so, so, so, so, so grateful and humbled and all that. That. You're with us, you're watching, you're listening Public servers, private servers it's just incredible, it really is, and I got goosebumps talking about it because it's just so.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

I mean it is, it's humbling. We want to make an impact, positive impact, for the rest of the days we have on earth and leave a legacy so that this continues, this Voices for Voices movement where we help people in one way or another. It may just be wow, he's talking about this. And it might just be something small. It's just a little confirmation like, okay, yeah, we're all going to get down from time to time. Some of those times are longer, some are shorter, some of the positive, good, great times, or more than the others, but just know again than the others. But just know again, you're not alone, I'm not alone and we are not alone.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

So thank you for joining us on this episode of the voices for voices tv show and podcast. Again, if you give us a huge, big thumbs up, subscribe, like, share, follow, comment, pass along the show we're we're trying to help three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond. And I can't do it on my own. Our organization, our and I can't do it on my own. Our organization, our volunteers. We can't do it on all of our own and we would be just so, so grateful as we already are for you joining us, whether you're watching or whether you're listening and check out our social media posts because you can also, and check out our social media posts because you can also.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

Maybe you're watching or listening at one of these episodes like this, and then you might think, well, I don't want to have to be on Spotify or Apple and that, well, you can watch us on your browser. You go to voicesforvoicesorg forward slash podcast that's voicesforvoicesorg forward slash podcast and you can watch or you can listen to. All of our episodes are out there, and the one of the best things about it is the newest episode, the freshest content, is right there at the top, so you don't have to scroll down. You can. You know you want to start at the beginning, or or or see what, what other episodes we have in the catalog. But just know that that's free, it's available. You don't have to have an app. You can turn your laptop, your netbook, your iPad. You don't have to go into Apple Podcasts or any of these other. You know iHeart, you can and we encourage you to use whatever platforms best suit you, but if you don't want to use a platform every time, maybe alternate through a few.

Voices for VoicesⓇ Founder, Justin Alan Hayes:

That's what I do, I find myself doing, I find myself alternating and it depends. Am I mowing the yard, am I working on a project? And I just want to have an episode playing in the background or watching and really trying to understand and learn, knowing that I have different ways to do that, and you can also do that with write your virtual assistant. You can say play the voices for voices, tv show and podcast, and the menu should pop up with all of the shows and podcasts that we have. So thank you From Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices. We'll see you next time. Please be a voice for you or somebody in need. Thank you, bye-bye.

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