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Protecting Our Children From Wolves in Sheep's Clothing | Episode 225

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Protecting Our Children From Wolves in Sheep's Clothing | Episode 225

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The line between Christian fantasy and darker influences has never been more blurred. In this powerful, eye-opening conversation, human trafficking survivor and advocate David Solomon joins Justin Alan Hayes to expose what he describes as "wolves in sheep's clothing" operating within supposedly faith-based writing conferences.

Solomon pulls back the curtain on Realm Makers, an organization presenting itself as a Christian fantasy writers' conference that has allegedly strayed far from its foundational values. The discussion reveals troubling choices of guest speakers, including the creator of League of Legends—a game featuring transgenderism, feminism, and even Satan as a positive character—as a keynote speaker at an event marketed to Christian families.

"These are people that are going to come, that love Jesus with all their heart, that want to serve him, that want to follow his word and not be deceived," Solomon states passionately. "And there are wolves in sheep's clothing that are going to be upright, center front in their eye saying, 'Hi, shake my paw and I'll lead you to the wolf pack.'"

The conversation delves into the concerning bait-and-switch tactics where families spend significant money expecting faith-aligned content only to encounter something entirely different. Even more alarming are Solomon's firsthand accounts of how predatory relationships can begin through seemingly innocent author-reader connections before evolving into something dangerous—especially when children are involved.

Perhaps most disturbing is the revelation that some of these authors are successfully placing their books into homeschool curriculums across multiple states, potentially expanding their influence directly into educational materials. As Solomon puts it, "What makes us different from secular creators is that we are anointed with the word of God... We have a responsibility, dignity and honor to the gift that God has given us."

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Justin Alan Hayes:

Welcome to this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast. I'm your host, founder and executive director of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes. Thank you for joining us on this episode, as well as our over 220 episodes in our catalog. We couldn't do this without the love and support that you've given us. So, whether this is your first episode or you've been with us from the beginning, thank you. If you can go ahead and subscribe, like share, let your friends, family, loved ones know about this movement that we have, the Voices for Voices movement aiming to help 3 billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond, what sometimes happens. And we have really uncovered a lot of information. And this episode is just like that of information. And this episode is just like that.

Justin Alan Hayes:

And mental health, for sure, trauma for sure, uh, rears its ugly heads, uh, when it, when it comes to, uh, the uh, all the topics, all the shows we have, whether we, uh, you know, overtly say mental health, trauma, or whether it is an understood topic, this topic is like a sore thumb. It really, you know, every time we kind of turn around or find a new information, it really just doesn't make sense and we're very appalled, we are concerned, worried Our families, families with children, especially those that are homeschooled, that there's just a lot of bad, a lot of bad actors out there. Not, and you know, there's a lot of bad people, a lot of bad characters that uh are out and they're they're battling you for your children and our you know our children, and that's unacceptable. Uh, so the, uh, the topic we're really going to delve into this episode is one around a group, a movement that was started around Christian fantasy writing Individuals, writers, authors, bouncing ideas on collaborating, and it was started around the Christian fantasy, the topic we'll call it, and what we're finding literally second by second, literally second by second, is a particular organization that they have these conventions, they have these conferences and the topics keep getting darker and darker, keep getting further and further away from God, from Jesus, you know, christian fantasy, and really, as we're going to find with our guests, really a total 180, the just disbelief of what was just uncovered.

Justin Alan Hayes:

Uncovered, so I'll leave the intro at that and joining us, say one of our house guests that we have, but it's because it's so important and we aim to help everybody and we especially aim to help children, to help parents, through navigating sometimes murky waters, and I believe that's what's going on now a little bit. So, david Solomon, thank you again for joining us on the show.

David Solomon:

Always a blessing to be here. I'm just going to dive right into it. You know it's early morning and you know I just got hit with information and I wasn't going to do this show and I can't just stand silent and not tell the information that was just provided to me, just literally, just literally, um so, uh. So you know I'm gonna, I'm gonna give a little previously background here. Uh, for those who don't know me, my name is david solomon. I'm a human trafficking survivor and advocate for others and also, um, a writer, ghostwriter, producer and father and husband.

David Solomon:

I spoke out against a group called Realm Makers who has not taken responsibility to stand up for what is right, because within their own group are people who are messaging kids about cutting porn and sex behind parents' backs who are adults, and those kids are going to be addicted to said subject matter, chosen to look the other way, kicked me off of the group, if you will, of Christian writers not just me but several others and said well, you know, for sticking up, here's your penance and damaged my career but also others, and I wanted to dive into wolves in sheep's clothing. We're going to take it to the word, all right, so Jesus talks about wolves in sheep's clothing. For a reason Case in point Realm Makers we're going to play devil's Advocate is a Christian conference for writers, and we're going to look at the red flags on this Christian conference. So dive deep with me, okay, yeah, okay. So there is a special guest of honor the League of Legends creator.

David Solomon:

The League of Legends is a game about killing transgenderism, feminism, homosexuality not to offend anybody, but we're just stating facts as they are presented here on both Wikipedia and other sources. Did I mention killing? So that is what this game is about. It is an RPG. It is secular. There is nothing Christian about it. There is nothing per se bad about it, other than everything I just listed. Under the sun, satan is in it as a good person, so let's talk about that. There are some questionable plots that could mirror human trafficking, so we're going to talk about that too. Okay, this person is a guest of honor, listed on the Realm Makers website that they are going to be the guest of honor, and they're one of them and they're going to be there with your kids, and this is a Christian conference that has trusted guest speakers to and I quote the website give truth and a Christian perspective to the world.

David Solomon:

On storytelling red flag one what in the world.

Justin Alan Hayes:

Does this video game creator have in at all in common with jesus christ?

David Solomon:

nothing as far as I'm concerned, the answer is nothing. Yeah, so league of legends is not even close to a Christian game. So red flag one is why is that creator going to a Christian conference? It'd be one thing if you know he was there to just check it out, but no, he's going to be speaking at a Christian conference where he's not Christian and promoting this woke agenda. And we're having him at a Christian conference. I'm sorry.

Justin Alan Hayes:

No, you're good and really just to hit on that as well, you have and we talked about this in the past you have kind of wolves in sheep clothing.

Justin Alan Hayes:

You have the bait and switch. You have people, you have families spending thousands, hundreds of dollars to attend a conference with the understanding that it is going to be centered and all content is going to be around christian, christian fantasy. And so these individuals, having gone to many conferences myself, if I showed up to a keynote speaker expecting a particular topic and that speaker turned out to be a 180 degree of that, that would make me very, very, very upset. Now I've been with companies and so in that case, as far as paying for it, you know, sometimes I haven't had to pay my own money, but for this, this is hard-earned money that these families have earned, I believe, a majority in a positive sense, the money, and so they have many things that they can do with their discretionary income group. This particular conference happening and showing up and expecting one thing and another, I would be, I'd be furious, uh, especially when you're talking about children as well.

Justin Alan Hayes:

We know, we all know how malleable their minds are and how it's like clay and uh, the you know how, how the uh frontal lobe is in of their brain isn't fully formed until their 20s, and so for this to be happening and kind of like, hey, surprise, I think that is it's not good.

David Solomon:

And so we, you know, and that's red flag, one, that's only one red flag.

Justin Alan Hayes:

Yeah, that's one of the only red flags.

David Solomon:

You know Brian Davis, we all know Von Omen, who marries children as young as age eight. They're going to be there. I mean, when does it end Like? Brian Davis contacted someone a while ago saying that all I do is harass him and the people that he surrounds himself with, and that's not true. My comment to that is no, I expose people that hurt children, and you have chosen to put yourself with those people. This isn't about vendetta for what you did to me. This is about justice for what you do to them. And as an angry parent right now, I am outraged at what I am seeing.

David Solomon:

You know, people say David Solomon didn't happen and that's fine and wonderful until there's a point where that doesn't work. And we're at that point, parents, where people go. Well, you know, wait a second, and I read it on chat GBT. David said all this stuff on Voices for Voices and other places, and my family too and others. Do you know that? No one has come out and denied it? You would think there would be an official response from Scott Minder. Hey, this is harassment. Hey, this is untrue Something, something harassment. Hey, this is untrue, something there's not.

Justin Alan Hayes:

The silence speaks volumes.

David Solomon:

So for us creators, for us writers affected by this and the person doing it doesn't even deny it shows how true this really hits. What's done in the dark always comes to light. Parents be aware of that, and Realm Makers is a red flag, not just because of its guests, but if they're letting those guests in, who else are they letting in behind the scenes? Who else is going to be behind the curtain? Who else is going to be allowed to see your children and be with your children? Who else is going to talk to your children? You know, when Brian met me in 2007, I was a minor with my best friend, who also goes stroke form and was a minor, and we were given his card. That's how it starts, parents is. These writers give their card, their private emails, which is okay, you know. Send an email to an author, that's cool, but be aware of what that email represents, that email's power, that's the door, and so you know it would be one email and then it'd be two emails, and then it'd be 40 emails and then it'd be calling be two emails and it'd be 40 emails and it'd be calling, and it. You know, I was a part of a group where there was like what 40 of us selected out of the united states, out of all the tours they did, which was thousands. And uh, and we were in this little chat room. It's like a black net. And uh, we were in this little chat room, it's like a black net, and it was something. It was something.

David Solomon:

And for Scott to throw this and say this is Christian is just appalling. As a Christian parent, I'm sorry. I call complete and utter bullcrap. There's nothing Christian about League of Legends Not one thing. You're letting the devil in, literally letting the devil in, and if the creator of League of Legends is hearing me right now, then hear me right now. Do not go. Do not go.

David Solomon:

As a secular creator, I respect you. I've worked in the field. Look me up. This is not your place. You do not want to be tied to these people. This is not the moment to promote your transgender stuff to a Christian audience and try to display that in an audience that is closed minded and on your own site. I want to open minds. This is not the moment to preach to people that you think you're doing the right thing. This is not that moment. The right thing. This is not that moment. That's the wrong moment.

David Solomon:

And let me be clear I do not support your message either. But I'm not going to condemn you and I'm not going to crucify you for wanting to talk to people about it either. But this is not your moment to go to this conference and promote this and try to cause a stir and try to confuse. This is not that moment. Choose another conference, any other conference, don't choose this one. Okay, this is not that moment.

David Solomon:

These are people that are going to come, that love Jesus with all their heart, that want to serve him, that want to follow his word and not be deceived. And there are wolves in sheep's clothing that are going to be upright, center front in their eye and saying, hi, shake my paw and I'll lead you to the wolf pack and I'll feed on you. And that is the sad truth. They are sheep ready to be slaughtered. And you know what? I'm not afraid to say this. Shame on you, scott Minor, for letting this happen. It's one thing if you let Brian Davis, who claims to be a Christian.

David Solomon:

I struggle with that one, not just because of the trafficking that was done to me, but because of all the other victims that I've talked to. Now, man, how far have you fallen from grace? That's between you and God. But don't call this a Christian conference. Rename it. There's nothing Christian about this other than the great people that will attend that are not guests, but people that are wanting to meet the guests.

David Solomon:

Man, you know, I keep in contact with Realme's. We're good friends. We know each other's stories. You think they trust you within a 10-foot pole. No, they don't trust you. In fact, there are a lot of them that won't even come to the conference because they don't trust you within a 10-foot pole. But I love on them, I show them grace. There are some that don't believe what happened to me, but we still talk and I show them grace and compassion and love, because that's what Jesus would do Not. Oh, you called me a liar, how you? No, it's well, that's okay, you know. Here's the facts. But I don't want our friendship to be about that. I want us to come together as christians and unite and create together, and that's what it's about setting our differences.

David Solomon:

What makes us different from secular creators is that we are anointed with the word of God in our hands, in our minds, in our mouth, that we speak in our eyes, that we see in our ears that we hear and anything that comes out. Better not be secular, because when we are called to be anointed and Christian authors, we have a responsibility, dignity and honor to the gift that God has given us. To use that to lead people to him, not lead people to us. Not lead people astray. Not lead people to another path. Lead them to the one path. That is what Christian writing is about. It is about presenting our point of view to a world that doesn't know.

David Solomon:

You know, I told a missionary this once Are you on vacation? Because you're in Africa and you're saying that there's a witch doctor that came to you and he wants to know God? Are you on vacation? Well, no, I can't let the witch doctor in. Well, why? Because he serves Satan. But so did you? Oh, no, I never served Satan. Oh, so you were never a sinner? Well, yeah, we're all sinners. Oh, no, I never served Satan. Oh, so you were never a sinner? Well, yeah, we're all sinners. Oh, okay, okay. So serving Satan is not a sin? No, of course it's a sin, right? So, okay, okay. So you're better than him? Well, I'm saved, right. But you're a missionary? Well, yeah, what is your job exactly? Well, we're missionaries on a foreign field and we're telling everybody about Jesus that are sinners so they can get saved, right? So the witch doctor is excluded from that because his sin is greater than everybody else's.

David Solomon:

Or are you uncomfortable with the fact that he worships the devil? But didn't you worship the devil? Because you were enslaved by sin, and sin is what he creates. He created sin, basically. And they said, well, well, I'm afraid of him. Oh so you're a missionary and you're afraid of a witch doctor who's going to cast a spell?

David Solomon:

Yet Jesus says that he rebukes curses. Where are we today? Are you on your margarita? Did you forget your armor of God? Where are we going? Well, I don't need armor, you don't need armor. Oh, okay, okay, are you having tequila? No, I don't drink. Okay, are you on a cruise? No, of course not. Okay, well then you better get your armor on, because you're on a battlefield and you're getting attacked by the enemy and you're falling right into his depth. So, no respect.

David Solomon:

But that witch doctor is as much a sinner as the person over there is a prostitute, as the person over there is gay, as the person over there that is smoking that cigar. And for you to say that they are lesser than you is calling God a liar. That witch doctor became a pastor. Amen. I bring it real. I'm known to preach when I need to and it irks my spirit when people say they're doing God's work and blasting lies. So you know, you can't serve two devils or, excuse me, two gods the devil and Jesus. You can't do that, you cannot do that.

David Solomon:

And so for Scott Miner to have the League of Legends and Brian Davis and Don Ullman and these are known people that have controversy and we're just putting them out there that they're awesome what are we doing? What are we doing as parents? What are we doing as Christian authors? We're called to tell stories, to inspire. We're doing the opposite. You know all I see right now. I see two things going on. I see the legacy of CS Lewis going strong, and then I see people that want to copy that because they want the fame. There are those that have been called to be the next CS Lewis and there are those that have been called not to be, but they want the fame, so they envy it with jealousy. Those are the two groups I see, the wannabes and the real writers.

David Solomon:

I'm not putting myself on a pedestal, I'm not putting others on a pedestal. I've done the work. Others have done the work for inspiring writers. Go for it, do it. Do what God tells you to do, but don't become a Christian writer for the wrong reasons. Do it because of faith. Do it because you want to tell a story that changed your life and want to impact the world. Don't do it because of selfish reasons. That's what sets us apart from a secular author, is that we know good versus bad. We can say that that person has so much bad in them. But also in Christian fiction there is redemption and that's big. You know Disney has this big thing. On villains, I noticed they highlight the villains. They don't highlight the good people. What do you think that is?

Justin Alan Hayes:

what do you think that is? I mean, I see it happen in my own life and I think partially it's just money, it's just a new group like they. You know they, they, either they don't want to create new good characters. So they just go with oh well, let's just make them bad, and then it's across the board with the defendants and all those it's justifying that these guys are the bad guys now right, that's happening in real time. That's we're all fighting it with children and that's happening in real time yeah we're all fighting with children and like what is going on, like what.

Justin Alan Hayes:

What was wrong with the original?

David Solomon:

so it's like, as Christian creators, we're called to be different and not be the same, and it's appalling that this is going on.

Justin Alan Hayes:

Yeah, there's taking advantage of people, I mean at the highest level, that's what's happened. That's somebody taking advantage of another person for power, sex, money, all that, and that is also what they call a cult. And so it's very interesting, as we know, that that seems to be the three key pillars of Realm and Realm Makers, and it all comes back to that it does and it's sad it sure is.

Justin Alan Hayes:

And I think, as we close this episode out, we also don't want to let off the hook the cities, the hotels, the convention centers, any of those, for allowing this type of activity to happen on their grounds. You know we call it. You know, if there's people that are terrorists, you know we want to freeze their funds, their money. We want to find them and bring them to justice, and because they're obviously they're doing bad things and their money is fueling those bad things. And so we, we know and I'm guessing a lot of the world knows, they just don't want to believe it about these characters, that we're talking about that whatever money they're making from books, from conferences, conventions, what have you one-on-one sessions, they're using it for nefarious reasons. And so for, you know, the hotel in Chicago, the hotel in Grand Rapids, the convention center in Columbus, ohio, all over the place. We understand that, being in business, we want to make money, right, that's how you pay the bills and that's how we survive. Then, uh, and that's that's one way to look at things. But knowing that there is so much negativity, uh, polarization, uh, yeah, that should be taken into account too. What happened to morals? What happened to ethics, if we're just going to let any anywhere to come to our conference, our convention center, our hotel, because we just want the money, we want increased sales, whatever those reasons are, that's doing the devil's work too. We need to all think about this, not just the families, the children, authorities, law enforcement, people in power. We have individuals like Brian Davis meeting with the governor of Ohio, Mike DeWine. I find that absolutely appalling as a voter of the state of Ohio to have a person that has obviously trafficked our guest, david Solomon, but there's so much controversy around that and for him to have that opportunity to meet with somebody in power like the governor. I find that appalling. And we put out content to you, mike DeWine. I support your reelection campaign, voted for you and to have a meeting with somebody who's not a resident of the state of Ohio, you didn't do your due diligence, your security didn't do their due diligence. Find that very, very upsetting, and not only with these conferences, and David can speak a little bit more to this as we wrap up.

Justin Alan Hayes:

This episode is people like Brian Davis. They are working to get their books into curriculum in different states, and so my guess is is meeting with the governor of ohio. That's what. That's what his goal is. To say, hey, look, uh and david knows the the states are already kind of bought into it, and so that's another area. Parents, you know that you're going to be getting things from all angles. So you're going to come to a conference, think you're getting one thing, but you get another. Then you're going to send your kids, either just if they're going to school or if they're homeschool. What's going to be on that curriculum? Oh, novels by Brian Davis, novels by Von Ullman and these folks. So maybe in the last couple minutes you can talk a little bit about that, david.

David Solomon:

Yeah, so you know. Yeah, so you know Brian wants to. In fact, some of his work is actually in homeschool curriculums, required reading, so you know it goes to show you that's what he's about. He's about trying to get his books out there, uh, to be required to read, and it's pushing a, uh, a philosophy that isn't necessarily a good one.

David Solomon:

You know his series raising dragons is the one required to read. I actually pointed it out. It's in Florida and Texas, but Ohio, I think, is on his you know itinerary to do it. I know Virginia already has it, but it's very interesting. You know, his book is about another savior other than Jesus, and this is modern day and it's kind of weird and his whole premise is dragons are needing a savior because Jesus didn't die for the dragons and that's kind of fascinating. Until a human dies for the dragons, that is part dragon, hmm, it's. It's kind of twisting theology, even though it's fantasy. So, even though it's fantasy. So for that to be required reading is just, shall we say, moving in the wrong direction of where we should be at and of where we should be at.

David Solomon:

Brian Davis comes up as one of the number one Christian books to read, and that's concerning too. He has a graphic novel coming out Again. The other person that trafficked me is the one that did the art, james Artville. And aside from all the trafficking that went on with me, just read the graphic novel for yourself, parents, and tell me that that is biblical. Like you know, it's fantasy and that's great and wonderful, but there's something very dark when you twist the Bible like that, like I'm a speculative writer, several projects in the works with studios, and you know we have a little fun, right, but I don't go as far as to say I'm going to have another Jesus. That's kind of where I don't want to go there.

David Solomon:

So in Tears of a Dragon, brian goes there. In fact, that's what the entire book is about. In fact, that's what the entire book is about. And he also is not shy to shove it in your face that once you become a Christian you become sinless, so you don't sin anymore. And he's not shy to preach that message and he'll make you feel bad until you become sinless. In book 2, candlestone, billy, who is 14 years old, slits someone's throat Think about what I just told you and it's treated as horrible. He makes the kid feel so bad that he forces him to get saved.

Justin Alan Hayes:

We got like 10 seconds.

David Solomon:

All right. So Candlestone read that parents.

Justin Alan Hayes:

David, thank you so much for your powerful, transparent insight for these topics, and parents and people in power and law enforcement, you know, do the right thing. We know what that is morally, ethically, and we're we're trying to help people. That's where, where it all comes from. So until our next episode, please.

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