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A Father's Fight and Receipts to Prove It | Episode 204
A Father's Fight and Receipts to Prove It | Episode 204
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What happens when serious allegations surface in a close-knit community? This raw, unfiltered conversation explores the delicate balance between addressing safety concerns and requiring evidence before taking action.
Gabriel reaches out to Scott with troubling concerns about their mutual acquaintance Bryan Davis and allegations made by Gabriel's friend David Solomon. The tension builds as Scott maintains a methodical approach, requesting original documentation rather than forwarded emails and specific evidence to support the serious claims being made. When David Solomon himself joins the call, the conversation takes an intense turn.
David shares disturbing personal experiences, alleging Bryan Davis "trafficked" him as a young man, changed his legal name without consent, and is now threatening his young son. Scott's insistence on verification creates a fascinating dynamic that gets to the heart of a universal question: How much evidence is necessary when accusations involve the safety of children?
The conversation reveals the challenges community leaders face when navigating serious allegations. While the natural instinct is to act swiftly when children might be at risk, Scott demonstrates why verification remains crucial before any action can be taken. Without solid evidence, even the most troubling claims remain accusations rather than established facts.
Are you responsible for an online community? Have you faced situations where you needed to balance swift protection with careful investigation? Listen to this thought-provoking discussion and consider: What would you do if someone brought you serious allegations without clear evidence?
• Gabriel expresses concern over Scott's requests for original emails rather than forwarded ones
• Discussion of what constitutes sufficient evidence when serious allegations are made
• David Solomon joins the call to share his personal experiences with Brian Davis
• Claims include identity theft, ghost-writing books, and threats against David's son
• Scott maintains a position of requiring verifiable evidence before taking action
• David promises to provide police reports and recordings as evidence
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Scott's on mute. Sorry, I was trying to adjust something. Do you mind if we pray first? Sure, go ahead, dear Heavenly Father. Lord, we thank you for the story that you have given us, the story of Jesus, and the story you've put on our hearts to tell, and the story that you've given us to live. Help us to always, in everything that we do, pursue the truth, because we know that that's going to bring us closer to you, and help us not to be led astray as we live our story and not be the victim of someone else's story. Help us to have a constructive conversation and ease Gabriel's concern. Lord, bless this time in Jesus' name, amen. What's bothering you? David Solomon? Yeah, and as I'm pretty sure you well know by now, david is a friend of mine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm concerned with what's going on. I'm concerned of some of the things that I've been told, I'm concerned of some of the things I've heard and I'm concerned about you, scott. I won't lie. Okay, and I'm concerned about you, scott, I won't lie. I'm concerned of some of the questions you've been asking and the evidence you've been asking for and how you've asked these questions. Help me understand. Well, I was talking to Amanda and Scott, and not Scott.
Speaker 1:I was talking to Amanda and David the other day, and Amanda was telling me of how a specific subject came up, about a specific industry, if you get my meaning of something that was going on, and you spoke to her asking for original emails of this thing, because the ones she sent you were forwarded and yet these are the same. They are still the original emails. They just have been forwarded to other people as evidence that she has these emails. I find that very concerning. Concerning what? What is concerning about asking for original emails? Because she gave you their original emails, but no, when the email is forwarded and like, there's a screenshot, right, you need a screenshot of the original email. So I guess you're contacting me on behalf of David and Amanda. I guess yes, Instead of.
Speaker 1:And there's one other thing. You've been given a lot of information, david. Oh my gosh, my names are getting all mixed up. I'm sorry, forgive me. I seem a little confused, scott, you've been. My names are getting all mixed up, I'm sorry, forgive me. Same little computers, scott, you've been given a lot of information. I've told you some things, david's told you some things, amanda's told you some things, and there are other people on Realm that know about this, that know what's going on, have a great deep understanding, and Well, explain that. Explain what a great deep understanding means. Like, what great deep understanding does anyone have other than David and Amanda and Brian? You know they all have a great deep understanding of what's going on from their perspective. Everyone else is really just listening, am I right?
Speaker 2:no, you see there are people who understand.
Speaker 1:There are people that hear, no, you see. Well then, help me understand what more there is to understand. There are people who understand, there are people that hear and there's people that know. And so my question to you, scott, is what more information? What more information? How much more information must you have? How much more evidence must I, david and Amanda and maybe others, have to give you before you're willing to see with your own eyes that Brian Davis is a dangerous man?
Speaker 1:Have you heard of his book the Warrior? Tell me about it. I've never read it, but I've been told that, david, excuse me, go ahead. I've been told that, david, I've been told the wrong thing. Excuse me, go ahead. I've been told that a young boy who read the Warrior one, committed suicide. And another. Who wrote the Warrior, brian Davis? Where does it exist? That is a good question. I mean, I've gotten about Search for the Astral Dragon. Oh, I know the Search for the Astral Dragon. Is it in that that's one of his newer books? You said the warrior, yeah, but here let's just for argument's sake, let's look at the astral dragon.
Speaker 1:Hmm, what's the purpose of this call? You want me to give it to you straight? Yeah, okay, so far. It's hard to find that, all right, fine, fine, I'm going to give it to you straight. You have too much information and you're not doing anything. I don't have any information that isn't publicly available on YouTube. Anything I've been given is in all these videos Brian Davis, what am I supposed to be doing? Brian Davis is a part of Realm Makers. Scott, you're no fool. I know you're not a fool.
Speaker 1:You built Realm Makers from the ashes of, I think it was once called um, what was it? Wonder something After the Wonder Day, was it? I believe that is nothing that I understand what you're talking about. You're trying to tell me what we built Realm Makers off of, and you're wrong. Holy Worlds. There we go. Holy Worlds. You built Realm Makers after Holy Worlds fell apart because of its original owner. Well, you'd have to talk to Becky about what Holy Worlds is. I have no idea what that is Really. Yeah, this was nothing that came from anything else. Do you understand? I don't know. You're hearing from somebody else what we built Realm Makers on and what you're saying isn't true, is it? No, do you know? Becky knows david solomon. Becky does not know david solomon, are you sure? Yeah, because I distinctly remember David telling me that your wife knew David's mom. Really, yeah, david is telling you through Facebook Becky knows David's mom.
Speaker 1:Right now, I am just accumulating information, right. What I am doing is getting all the information. I am here verifying any statement or fact that I can verify and intentionally withholding my inclination to draw any conclusions based on any preconceived notions, friendships, understandings or anything. I'm just going from the information that I'm hearing and I'm making a list. This is an accusation, finding the verification, this is a statement that was made and verifying that statement. And I'm keeping it very cold. You know, keeping my opinion about anything. When I say cold, I mean just not applying my own. You know what I might think is true from coloring, what it is that I do, how I proceed, what conclusion I draw. So I'm trying to get close to the truth, and truth is sometimes hard to find, but sometimes there's truth that's verifiable. And so you're telling me that David has shared with you that Becky knows David's mom. Is there more to that? Not that I can recall at the moment. But, scott, I have to ask you why You're asking us for all this information on brian davis and yet you very quickly, I might add really went at amanda about this particular subject. What do you think about going really at Amanda? How do you mean? It's almost as if you were putting her on trial, when it's it's almost as if you're putting her on trial.
Speaker 1:I've seen the screenshots of what you said to her. I've read them. Please tell me what you said to her. Please tell me Tell me One moment. Okay, pay for that stuff. Okay, hold on, that was amazing. Okay, that is certainly a lot to go through.
Speaker 1:May I ask for screenshots of the original email message you referenced? Of the images above, each of these are forwarded emails. I don't see what's wrong with the forwarded emails. If you want my honest opinion, what can I tell you? Your last statement, that Brian harassed you. What example are you referring to as harassment? I want to associate the correct message with your claim of harassment. Scott, he said after he harassed me is when I started reviewing his books because he came after my son. So I said what of the skin? A lot of information up there and I'm asking which. I'm trying to draw the assertion to the correct message, like how is he harassing you? Because you're asking me why I'm asking all this information.
Speaker 1:I am David, came to me, uh-huh, and then I missed that message. And then he came back two days later saying this is getting more urgent. So I'm like what's going on? And he's making accusations and now I see it's been going on for years and years and years. Like oh my gosh, I've never heard anything about all this stuff. Like oh my gosh, I've never heard anything about all this stuff.
Speaker 1:So I need to make a determination about what's true, and you can't do that without asking for information that is getting closer to the truth. With a forwarded email, you can edit that so it's not really evidence of anything at all. You can edit that so it's not really evidence of anything at all. Once you forward it, you can retype everything that was under there. So in order to take the emails as evidence, you kind of need to see the original list. That's what I asked for. I agree with that. That's what I asked for. I agree with that. I understand that.
Speaker 1:And if getting closer to the truth results in this kind of pushback, that's concerning and the fact that she couldn't just respond Like I've got a dialogue going with Amanda, dialogue going with David, and they're putting you into this. No, sir, they did not. No, sir. Oh no, they didn't put me into this. Well, let me ask you a question and answer me honestly. Okay, will you be honest with me? Of course, sir, I'd rather be honest.
Speaker 1:Are you recording this call? Yes, sir, I am. Who asked you to record this call? That was my decision. Who asked you to contact me? Nobody, that was my decision. Who asked you to contact me? Nobody, that was my decision. Then how did you know about? Like they're sending you screen captures of my message to them, just asking them clarification? Like like it's it's a new problem. Like they don't want to provide an original email or a screenshot of an original email. So that's up to them If they want to come to me with this major concern and literally at least 25 accusations and that's not counting. I think I'd count more than that if I went through everything that they've shared in their messages. I need to follow up on this and I need to determine where the truth is coming from, and I haven't made that determination yet.
Speaker 1:Did you not watch the YouTube videos? Watched a lot of YouTube videos, yeah, on Brian Davis and what he has to say about David Solomon. What he has to say about David Solomon. What did you see that Brian Davis said about David Solomon that I should the Harvest interview? The Harvest interview was an interview. It didn't say anything at all about David Solomon. It wasn't about David Solomon, it was like Christian News. Scott, I don't go on YouTube anymore at all. The hardest interview is an interview and David and Amanda Solomon that wasn't even part of the interview. I'm not sure what you're referring to. It talks about Brian Davis. He goes behind Miner's parents' back and talks about porn and cutting. Do you not find that concerning? Why would someone like Brian Davis Listen? I watched that video and he was talking on a Christian news organization that he has.
Speaker 1:Are you? You're kind of young? Are you old enough to remember forums Like pro boards? No, I don't think I'm familiar with that Before there was chat. So you'd go to a website and you'd have forums where people could ask questions yes, because they want to know about somebody, right? So it was just forums. You'd have subjects where people could ask questions and you could answer. It was a way authors interacted with their audience and that's how he interacted with his audience. He talked about the forums that these kids had asked him questions on and you know, you're not necessarily in control of what questions they're asking you. But he said you know these kids will talk to me about you know the problems they're having Pornography cutting. You know these things that they're. You know they don't know who to talk to about them and he spends like 10 to 15 hours a week on these forums talking to these kids. They're his forum Do you find that?
Speaker 1:concerning Well, would it be concerning if the child went to a minister or a counselor? Do children speak to people at church? Brian Davis is not a counselor.
Speaker 1:He's an author. He's an author. He is an author. So I understand what you're saying and I understand that he said you know private messages with some of these kids that have questions, and that was a statement that he made and I've documented that and that's one of a number of things that I'm kind of documenting. I mean of documenting, I mean, you know. Let me ask you another question why would someone as big as Brian Davis is go after David Solomon? How big do you think Brian Davis is and how? How?
Speaker 1:When it comes to going after David Solomon, I'd love for you to share your understanding of how Brian Davis has gone after David Solomon. I know what I've read and know what I've watched and everything, but what's David Solomon? I know I've read him, I know I've watched him and everything, but what's he did? A two-hour video that's on YouTube describing about how he went after David Solomon, how he stalked him. I'd love to see that video maybe that hasn't been sent to me, that video that Brian did. He did an interview or he did interview or he did. I think he did more than an interview On TikTok. Brian Davis was telling people to go after David Solomon. That's a piece of information I'd like to have a look at. That's why I'm asking these questions. If an accusation is made, I want to find it, and you know what I agree with that. I'm just going to just listen and believe, really, yeah, I'm not going to just listen and believe, I'm going to verify. And how did you become a Christian? Don't equate David with Jesus.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not no, no, no, no, no. Don't misunderstand me please. I would never equate David as Jesus. So let's talk about someone that is a person and is making an accusation, and no matter who it is.
Speaker 1:You determine what the truth is before you take action. Otherwise you're just acting on a rumor. Well, not just because it's a rumor, that doesn't mean it's true. Yeah, I don't know what's being told to me is true until I can verify. So I'm looking for what I can verify, what I can find, what substantiate.
Speaker 1:What if I told you, you literally have all the information you need. Literally, brian Davis is telling you, with his smiling lips, what he has done to David Solomon, what he does to children. You've seen those videos? No, no, no. Show me that video. All right, what you're saying, what you're saying? He's saying, with his lips, what he's done to those children. Show me that. All right, I'm gonna drill all the way down to the bottom, to the foundation of any allegation. All right, I'm not believing Brian's statements. Not believing anyone's right. I'm not believing Brian's statements. I'm not believing anyone's statements. I'm listening, all right. So, scott, I want to make a deal with you? No, I'm not going to make any deal. Hold on, listen to what I have to say. First, please, I'm going to have David Solomon send you the YouTube video, because I don't know where to find it and I do not go.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I've got some YouTube videos. If one of the ones they sent me is the one you're referring to, it probably is, you'll have to look at it. It's the Angel Channel. The Angel Channel, yeah, I don't. And the angel, the angel, the angel. And maybe what you need to do is call David. I've had a lot of communication from David, the, the, the, the, the. You know he needs a lot of communication throughout the realm of spirit and access to folks, and so I'm just going to continue communicating the way we are communicating and trying to drill down to what's true, writing down the accusations and equating that to the verification and I'm not going to accept anyone on that word.
Speaker 1:Okay, how do you go about finding the truth? By believing something and then proving the other one is false, right, you could prove anything is true. Right, a scientific method is to prove that what you believe is false and when you fail, well, now you know it's true. Right, if you want to believe something is true, you, now you know it's true. If you want to believe something is true, you can easily prove it's true, even if it's false. But if you try to prove it false and fail, well, you can have a lot more confidence about your assertion that it's true and that's why I'm a Christian. Answer your other question, alright, about your assertion that it's true and that's why I'm a Christian. Answer your other question, all right. That's how CS Lewis became the Christian. He tried to prove it false, fail. I'm very well of the story of the Reluctant convent. Cs Lewis is one of my favorite authors.
Speaker 1:I'm ignoring what I might, as a person, want to be true in pursuit of what provably is true, and you know I can't say I disagree with that, because I myself have the mind of an investigator wanting to know the answers. But here's my question how, when, exactly? And I'm not asking for an exact timeframe, I'm asking more, for a when are you going? How much more information must you see, hear, watch every single video, read every single email? All this? Look through the report files, look through the police investigations, look through all of that? Will only then you be satisfied, or will you still question? Or will you still question? Maybe you wouldn't be shocked at how much information Amanda sent to me. You think it's unreasonable to ask two questions? No, I don't think it's unreasonable. That's why we're on the phone. That's why we're on the phone, because either Amanda and or David thought my questions were unwarranted. No, that's not why we're on the phone. That's why they sent you a screenshot of my question to them. No, it's not the question.
Speaker 1:Scott, am I incorrect that you said that they sent you a screenshot of my message to Amanda? That's what you said at the beginning of our call and you read it back to me. Yes, oh, you're saying no, I'm not incorrect. To Amanda, that's what you said at the beginning of our call and you read it back to me. Yes, oh, you're saying no, I'm not incorrect. No, you're not incorrect. You're not incorrect. Your questions are valid, reasonably so, but they weren't met with an answer. Repeat that one more time, please. But they weren't met with an answer. You agreed that the questions were reasonable, but they weren't met with an answer. They were met with screenshotting them, sending them to you. You calling me, recording the call so you can report back to them. Whatever it is, is that I say that this is completely blown out of proportion? Is it? Yeah, when you send someone, are you familiar the reason I want? Did I already share the reason I want original emails rather than the forwards? Yes, you mentioned why and I understand it.
Speaker 1:So if those can't be provided, then that's a piece of information that I can understand. Scott, I'm concerned. Tell them why you're concerned and I'll tell you why I'm concerned. I have an acute sense of inability to know when people are dangerous just by looking at them. I found out that there's an actress that I saw in a movie when I was a child that I told my parents. I said there's something wrong with her, there's an evil about her. I mean you don't have to take my word for it, but I was right. She turned it out to be a Satan prophetess. I've seen Brian Davis's picture.
Speaker 1:That man is not good. There are children on the realm sphere, on the realm makers makers children that trust you to find people to write with, find other authors like themselves that are trying to get published, and there's a man in there that wants to hurt them. That wants to hurt them. I'm concerned that my friend's son Is in danger Of being taken by this man who was threatened To do. It Sent a man to my friend's house To take his son.
Speaker 1:If you ask, david Solomon has a recording on that. He has evidence that would be good information to share. Then I recommend go asking him. You've recommended. I stop. How much more information do I need? Like I'm asking questions and I'm getting pushback now. No, this isn't pushback. If I wanted to give you pushback, I would say why don't you accept what we're saying? But you wouldn't be the one to give pushback. You were who the question was aimed at. I don't know why I'm talking to you about this Because you won't answer David's messages. He's trying to contact you. What are you talking about? David wants to talk to you. He's with you. Yes, sure, go on, david.
Speaker 2:Hello Mr Miner, how are you?
Speaker 1:I'm feeling a little this is underhanded.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not doing very well right now. I understand that my wife sent you a lot and I need to know, because I have all the evidence. I'm ready to send you everything. I have police reports, I have recordings. I have no problem saving children's lives on Realm Spear. That's what this is about. I'm a father and I'm fighting for my son's life, okay, and I'm fighting for the kids on Realm Spear and this man, okay, he does not do that. I don't want what happened to me happen to other kids on the Realm. That's why I'm here. You can look at me as a bad guy. I'm willing to put my entire career.
Speaker 2:Every writer knows right now that I've been trying to talk to you about this. I have had so much prayer about how to handle this. I've fasted about how to handle this. It's made me sick inside to hide this from you since I joined Realm, actually, and it was God that told me to join Realm in order to try to be a light. So I'm here to be a light. I have a lot of writers, actors, who follow me, who I work with, and I'm trying to restore Christian fiction to a world that doesn't want it, fiction to a world that doesn't want it.
Speaker 2:But I have a monster who's been making our life a living nightmare, as my wife can attest. But not only that, I have others that will too. So right now, I plead to you as a father of Ryan and as to a representative of other children out there what do you need? What do you want? And I will give it to you and you can make the determination. But, as a parent, hear me when I say this my mom, her dying wish, was to bring Brian to prison for what he did to me. I'm not here for vendetta. I'm not here for vengeance. I don't want harm to come to him. I want children to be protected and I want you to know that this man hurts those children. What do you need? And I will give it to you, happily.
Speaker 1:What you're accusing Brian Davis of.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:You need police reports. You said you contacted them. I do yes.
Speaker 2:There's multiple and I am happy to share that. This was reported. This was reported since day one when Brian and James took me. It has been reported to the National Human Trafficking Hotline and now I don't know if you know, Was Brian there?
Speaker 1:when you were taken? Yes, he was Okay. Was Brian there when you were?
Speaker 2:taken. Yes, he was Okay. He also talks about that in the interview. I don't know if you watched the YouTube interviews or not. I've watched quite a bit.
Speaker 1:Okay, but when something like that is said, I'm like I didn't hear that. Which one is that in?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, so Angel talks. What interview does he talk about having done that? Oh, okay, so Angel talks too fast. It's an hour in and he goes into detail about when I was taken. Okay, but then another interview and I can send you the link, so I think I'm done listening to at least one Angel Talks Too Fast. Okay, there's multiple.
Speaker 1:James is the one who's saying like, yeah, we picked him up, yeah, we had a white van.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's multiple, but we didn't take him to Canada, right, right, right. Okay, it's in that one. It's an hour in, but there's multiple of that. Now, james was there. James is Brian's right-hand man. Okay, he's a very dangerous individual and I know for a fact that he's trying to get on Realm. By the way, just so you're aware, I can't change. Yep, I can't change. Well, he's talked about it. I know that openly on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you just listened to his TikTok.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he openly talked about it. When he talked about me, he said I'm trying to join the the realm spear, but I don't know how that will go, because I did tell the people.
Speaker 1:Making sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I really want to know where that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, give a link to that. Yeah, that's fine. Just in the beginning of my conversation with Gabriel, you were listening. Yeah, I did not tell him to call you Gabriel, you were listening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did not tell him to call you, just so you're aware. You claimed that he knows your mother. Yeah, she did.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess what's your mother's name?
Speaker 2:My mom before she died was Sephira, and they messaged on Facebook quite frequently. My mom was a Christian author and she belonged to a group what was her last name? Soldier S-O-L-D-I-R, S-A-P-H-I-R-A? Yeah, she was in chemo and she did message Becky. I remember that because I looked at my mom's.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I know, becky. Yeah, holy Worlds was before Realm. It was a prequel to Realm. In fact, 90% of your members are from Holy worlds. We know each other A lot of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are a lot of members of Realm Makers now, many more than were ever a part of any of the things that existed before. Realm Makers. Yep, where the sidewalk ends, there's a lot of very small community.
Speaker 2:I can say about 80,. Let's see I'm looking at about 104 of us came from Holy Worlds, put it that way. And so you know we've known each other. Becky, I did talk to a little bit with my mom. She did. She was nothing but nice, seriously, Seriously, what a sweet person. She prayed for my mom. It was nothing but support. My mom was a writer. She was a writer. It was great to see that. I have nothing to say but great things. But she did know my mom. Yes, sir, but she did know my mom. Yes, sir. And if I look on my old Facebook of my mom and me, Becky is on the friends list, Becky.
Speaker 1:Minor and she's on Facebook as.
Speaker 2:Safira Solveig.
Speaker 1:Yeah, In going through things you might understandably.
Speaker 2:No, I get it.
Speaker 1:You might understand that it's hard to follow the names.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Did I understand that, brian Davis?
Speaker 2:changed your name. Yes, sir, and I just confirmed that with the court Against your will. Yes, that was confirmed against. You weren't aware of it, but Brian legally changed your name and you legally changed my mom's name Without you knowing. Yes, sir, and it's been confirmed by the courthouse. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:So that would be a really important thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:To like. How is that confirmed? How would you know? It's an understandably difficult thing to wrap your head around. How can someone else legally change?
Speaker 2:my name. Some of the crazy things are possible. That was with real estate too, right? I can tell you one thing in the video James, and both Brian. I can tell you one thing Right, I can tell you one thing In the video James and both Brian and James say that when I took him, I did the paperwork the guardianship paperwork.
Speaker 2:Then I found out he wasn't a minor, so I had to do new paperwork to fix that. The paperwork they're referring to is the name change document, which has a forgery on it with a federal address of where my residence was. Now I was reported missing during this time. On that is not a stamp of approval. On that is not a stamp of approval. So it's a federal crime, as the courthouse put it, if found guilty, which it very well could be now. Now I'm going to tell you the name change was Solomon O'David, soldier, sos. At the same time, the documents were also altered Sephira, ocera, soldier.
Speaker 2:At the same time, brian Davis posted on his Facebook that day with James Artville that he drew a character Sephira from the book and stated this is for the child that I have. This is a gift for the child's mother, who is no longer with us. I will send you that screenshot. Then Brian talks in the interview and says and so David's mother apparently chose her name after my character, so clearly she's a fan. James shuts him up and says well, that's when we did the paperwork. Brian talks over him and says anyway, getting back to it, Getting the specific points that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:It's helpful to have.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:It's at this moment, in this two hour.
Speaker 2:Three hour video. Yes.
Speaker 1:Like this is what I'm referring to.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Like listening to it. You don't know what to listen for Right right, you're just kind of like listening.
Speaker 2:Now this gets a little crazy because Brian sent someone to hurt my son. I am willing to share that individual because that individual showed up at your realm. You need to know that I contacted the police the day of your realm because he thought Ryan showed up there. Ryan was going to go to your realm. He's a writer. I'm sure you know. Ryan has a book with Thomas Nelson coming out. Everybody on Realm knows. Maybe you don't. Brian found out. I'm not aware of the details.
Speaker 1:You mentioned that you're all publishing things.
Speaker 2:Yep. So Brian showed up and Brian had someone show up there. So give me, brian showed up where Brian Davis at the Realm you had a conference, a Realm conference. It was in St Louis. He said I sent someone to Realm so I called the police right in your town where you had Realm. I told them what was going on. They confirmed the person that showed up that was going to take Ryan. I have his identity. I'm willing to share that with you.
Speaker 1:Please, please, please, because you're saying Brian Davis showed up.
Speaker 2:Yes, he did. You're saying Brian Davis sent someone. Yes, he did. You're saying Brian Davis sent someone. I'm just trying to figure out. The statements are a little blurry. This is what I got from the police. Okay, I'm going to read you it. So Brian Davis stated that he showed up at Realm looking for Ryan. Okay, he told someone that. To whom did Brian Davis state this? He told someone that that I know I can. He told someone that. To whom did Brian Davis state this? He told someone that that I know I can share that information too. In fact, you know him. I need a lot more information for me to understand what you're saying is true. Okay, that's fine, I will get them to reach out.
Speaker 1:You can just tell me that Brian Davis stated something.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right now I don't know whether he sent someone to Realm Makers or if he showed up at Realm Makers. I've heard both. Right so it requires me asking more questions.
Speaker 2:That's fine. To get down to what you're saying, clarity is fine. That's all I want in the end. Okay, so Brian Davis stated to someone in fact you know him, richard Douglas, a writing friend of mine, right? I think you know him, maybe not. He's on Realm now that he was going to hurt Ryan. We have that text.
Speaker 1:On the phone in person. Brian Davis stated to Richard Douglas where was Brian? Where was Richard?
Speaker 2:Richard was in Colorado at the time and Brian stated he was at Realm, the Realm Expo. I think there's a picture of Brian at the Realm where he texted Richard and said I'm going to hurt Ryan, I'm coming for Ryan and I'm going to make David pay.
Speaker 1:What year was this?
Speaker 2:This year.
Speaker 1:So 2024? Yes, this year, this year was this this year, so 2024.
Speaker 2:Yes, this year, this is all this year, right now, this year.
Speaker 1:Because Brian Davis wasn't on faculty or anything. He wasn't at Realm Makers this year.
Speaker 2:So Richard can? Yes, so Richard can send that to you. I have no problem.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir you need to provide absolute information that's fine. I've heard a whole lot of you saying stuff like this and I keep getting more new things without getting police reports or any of this stuff.
Speaker 2:That's fine.
Speaker 1:And it's just. I'm not going to be overwhelmed with detail to the point where I stop listening. That's fine, and to the degree that I keep getting new accusations that are just just throw it on the pile, so to speak.
Speaker 2:Prove something let me send you. I'll start with the recordings of the person that Brian sent to realm to hurt Ryan.
Speaker 1:We'll start there yeah, I need to hear that because what I heard that Gabriel sent me yesterday you guys on the phone with the book publishers, like you just mentioned Brian Davis' name. The other guy just didn't even respond. Gabriel believes that who he was working with is Brian Davis' brother and there's no evidence of that.
Speaker 2:I can provide that one.
Speaker 1:If you look up Brian Davis on Google, you're going to find a country musician.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:People by the same name, especially the last name, davis.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to help you with that one, Daniel T Davis.
Speaker 1:That was easily proved false.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess Gabriel's still on the phone. What was this person's first name?
Speaker 2:So Daniel T Davis.
Speaker 1:Where does that name exist On an email?
Speaker 2:Signature, signature. And Daniel T Davis is the brother of Brian and I am going to be, but there's no Daniel T Davis. I can send you the screenshot. It was by Dan. I'll send you the Dan would never go by Daniel.
Speaker 1:It isn't even on his birth certificate.
Speaker 2:I can send you a screenshot of what I have. That's what I can say to that.
Speaker 1:I have a screenshot of Dan T Davis on Facebook. That's not evidence that a Daniel Davis is the same person as Dan T Davis ok but Dan T Davis, okay, but Dan T.
Speaker 2:Davis doesn't work at that. Publisher. Okay, I'm not going to argue, I'll send what I have.
Speaker 1:If you ask Daniel Davis, are you Brian Davis' brother? There's an answer. Oh, we are going to ask brother. There's an answer.
Speaker 2:Oh, we are going to ask that, that's for sure that's going to happen.
Speaker 1:That's an answer. You can't just invoke Brian Davis's name on a phone call with somebody who doesn't know you doesn't know, doesn't know any of the names you're throwing out there and require the evidence to be the fact that he didn't contradict it. Okay, right, so that's an easy one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can send what I have and that's what I can say there. As far as any accusations, the only reason I want you to be aware right now, okay, is because Brian has caused our family so much chaos that we are having to hide in LA in a gated community. We are going to have Ryan's book coming out during Christmas. It's going to be a big deal and I want someone like you to know in case because we're going to be at Realms events in case something happens, because Ryan needs to be in a safe environment. He's going to be surrounded by so many authors. I have so many projects going right now. In fact, you know this.
Speaker 1:You messaged me on the 7th, again on the 9th and on the 9th things were getting worse. Somebody was actively bullying you and harassing you, and I haven't heard what's happening right now, like what was happening like right then. Yeah so. Brian Davis, you're saying is causing chaos in your life where you have to be in hiding. Well, why is that? What has he done Like? I've heard that he did a TikTok video 10 or 11 months ago. I haven't seen that. He doesn't have TikToks. It must have been somebody else's.
Speaker 2:No, Brian Davis does have TikTok. I can send you that. I can send you that.
Speaker 1:I couldn't search TikTok by Brian.
Speaker 2:Davis and find that Brian Davis, it's not under Brian Davis, it's under Dragons in Our Midst. Yes, he has a TikTok.
Speaker 1:No, that wasn't searched. It's bad.
Speaker 2:It's just one title books that he has. Yeah, but um, so I would. I would want a link to that.
Speaker 1:That's fine to say I want you to say what he's doing, as opposed to brian davis is causing chaos such that I need to hide in la right what like what like? What is he doing? Doing to cause you chaos? Now I understand what you've said about what's happened in the past. You've said you know what that's in the past, but now what's happening is he's going after Ryan.
Speaker 2:That's right and we've taken protection to do that Right.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so I need to know precisely what that is. If it remains just a general like Brian's causing chaos. Brian is bullying me, he's harassing me, right? I'm going to ask what, like, what did he do? Show me that, ok, that I am short of that. That okay, that right and short of that. I'm not gonna be coming to a conclusion until I've I've gone through all the information I have and haven't found anything compelling okay because I'm not gonna go on your word or his word or amanda's word and I'm not going to buy Gabriel's word.
Speaker 1:He's just hearing from you. Gabriel isn't involved in this directly, except to the degree that you guys are friends and he's concerned.
Speaker 2:He should be concerned, considering there's an eight-year-old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you think everyone needs to be concerned and I just need to hear more specifics when you make accusations, because there are things that I'm hearing that are provably false, okay, or exaggerating, or you know, and so if I can go through a bunch of things and go like, well, you know, there's 10 things here that are that's not true, like it's hard to point to something that is okay, let me ask this you know the videos that you guys have sent me, like I can.
Speaker 1:I hear reading from chapter 5 and one of David's books. If you told any author at Realm Makers that I read page 49 in your book and you're going to accuse them of doing the thing that they wrote in their fiction, seriously, seriously, what author could stand up to being accused of doing the things that they've written in their novel? That's a fiction, even a fantasy.
Speaker 2:Why is it a children's book? Let me ask that Search for the Astrodragons about a 13 year old girl being raped. Have you read it?
Speaker 1:no, I can't say I've read any of these books, because I've got judges to do that and I'm quite busy so it goes into hold on. It goes into hold on it goes into full detail about raping a 13-year-old girl.
Speaker 2:Show me where. Show me the page. Sure, it goes into detail about raping a 13-year-old girl. I can do that. I can go look for that. I can do that. That I can do.
Speaker 1:You need to know that when you say it, Then I'll hear it and I'll say, Okay, what pages it on, and I will investigate it but I'm not going to just hear it and believe it. That's fine. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't expect you to. I wasn't born yesterday. I mean I was.
Speaker 1:Well, if you came to me with a few accusations and you proved them, we'd have a different conversation. You've come to me with Every day it's more accusations.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So if you're wondering when I'm going to be done asking questions, it'll be after. I guess I've waited long enough to get all the accusations okay so, because they're not stopping and you're not going to just keep throwing accusations at me until I go. Well, I've heard enough.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'd like to find someone else other than you know, because I've got other people who are concerned, but if I ask one question, they're like well, I only have the word of one person that this is true, and so I'm like okay, well then we'll just keep asking questions.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Right, so I still have a lot to learn.
Speaker 2:Well, I can send you, to start with, the person that unfortunately showed up to hurt Ryan. I can show you that recording. Can you say?
Speaker 1:their name. You said you'd tell me their name.
Speaker 2:Eric Pinson P-I-N-S-O-N.
Speaker 1:Came to.
Speaker 2:St Louis.
Speaker 1:yes, he did, yes, he did he thought he could just come and pick up Ryan.
Speaker 2:Yes, he did yes on that TikTok and Brian I don't know if you've talked to Brian or not. You probably haven't. On TikTok Brian, I don't know if you've talked to Brian or not, you probably haven't On TikTok, brian made a video and he said and I'm going to quote him and that's okay if he says oh, no, I didn't say no, no, plenty of people heard that one. He said go find him, go hunt him down and go bring that kid. On that TikTok it was leaked. Our license plate, my social security number and my wife's. We will never forget that day. I haven't seen that. That's fine. I'm just telling you it's in the recording. It talks about it in the recording, the person that Brian sent.
Speaker 2:In the recording he talks about Brian. He says I couldn't do well, he uses the F word. He says I couldn't F up Brian's life. I couldn't take Brian, I couldn't take Ryan, I couldn't take you, and I believe that Brian hurts children. I believe that Brian does these evil things. In fact, I know that I worked for the wrong person. I should have taken him out. I'm just being cold with you on what he says. You're going to hear it on the recording. Is that an audio recording? It is, and the police have it too.
Speaker 1:Anybody going to just record saying something that's not necessarily going to fly in any court as evidence, unless it's on a phone call from a phone number to another phone number.
Speaker 2:So when he called yeah, when he called, I turned the recorder on, like you and me right now. It was a phone call. It was a phone call but it doesn't record the numbers. Uh, number one. As soon as it was done we called the police. Uh, they did take our phone, they did look at the time stamp. It is in a database, that phone number, that phone call. It is recorded that he called.
Speaker 1:That that's documented yeah, there's just so. The the, the proof that the documented information is not false yes, sir is is important and that's why I asked for the. If you're going to take a screenshot of an email, take a screenshot of the original email, not a forward, because a forward, as soon as you hit forward, it could change everything in that email.
Speaker 2:May I ask how? Whatever?
Speaker 1:you wanted to be, and there wasn't a single email that wasn't a screenshot of a forward.
Speaker 2:Well, they were all forwarded to police departments.
Speaker 1:So I'm kind of asking how you would have to forward it and take a screenshot before you were done forwarding it. In order to take a screenshot of that, you would have the email that you could take a screenshot of and you'd forward and send it. Like you can go into your sent messages.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:And show the forwarded message, but at the moment that you hit forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can change every word, you could change the email address, you could change the subject, you could change all the content in a forwarded email before you forward it, and so I'm asking if any of those are evidence of anything. I'd want a screenshot of the original email that was received.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And that was a reasonable request. Okay. And that was a reasonable request and it seemed, given the conversation we're having right now, it seemed, rather than just asking a question, it seems like you're not interested in providing that.
Speaker 2:Okay, unless I forward it to many police departments. I have the originals.
Speaker 1:Yes, One screenshot of one of those. I'm done, because the email isn't Brian Davis' email, the phone numbers and the texts aren't Brian Davis' phone number. What are you doing? I'm done. So what are you doing? It makes it difficult to receive as authentic.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what do you need?
Speaker 1:What I asked for is an original email.
Speaker 2:Are you going to the pool?
Speaker 1:No, I'm fucking in.
Speaker 2:From that email address no, don't. No, I cannot take this, don't do this, no.
Speaker 1:Isn't Brian Davis, so anybody could create that email address. Send it Right? Don't do this. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Let it be. So what? I can say two things I can say. There in the police report it talks about those emails and when Brian was asked about it in one of those interviews and I can show you that video he did not deny that he did that. He said I did contact David at one point by email. He does say that the problem is I don't run my own emails. See, I'm terrible at emails, realm I'm good at, because it's not email. But because of being trafficked, unfortunately, I suffered a really bad injury and that was to my brain. I got hurt. So emails and me, computers and me, it's too much. Realm is simple, it's simple. Facebook is less simple. Okay, so my wife runs everything on email, okay, everything. I wouldn't be the author I am if it were not for my wife running my email, okay. So that's the bottom line. It's, I get what you're saying, but I, that's my wife. That's probably why, honestly, she got so offensive.
Speaker 2:You know we've had a lot of legal crap go on because of Brian. Right now I'm going to tell you that Brian found our address right. So you know we had to move. We're in LA now, but because of that there was a consequence. One of those consequences. One of them was Brian has my social security number. I have to change it now. He's passed it to so many people. I have random people saying Brian gave me this. I can send you that too. That's in police reports, so we have documented this from the beginning. I want to point to one thing in that interview and I challenge you to ask Brian this if you talk to Brian, brian, how did he get my social security number and personal ID? Because he states that he got it from his friend at the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation who is looking for me because I'm the most dangerous criminal he's known so you can't just throw that out there.
Speaker 2:It's on the video.
Speaker 1:Please send me the video. I don't want to have any more of this conversation about what Brian said. Okay, Things like that, that's fine. I'm seeing the video that you're talking about, because I've seen other evidence that doesn't prove what you're saying. It results in Like you can't read someone's fiction and say see, here he admits that he works with the government to do what he does.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because he wrote it in this fiction novel.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fine, right, I couldn't have that conversation with Stephen.
Speaker 1:King. Right, couldn't have that conversation with Stephen King, so you're really a vampire and right you can't do that. Don't get me started on Stephen King. Yeah, we don't have to go there no, we don't have to go there.
Speaker 2:Let me ask this because I'm willing to provide anything for you that you need anything you say, david stated.
Speaker 1:David states in this video David states well, I need that that's fine and even on this phone call, you're mentioning things that haven't been and would have been said so far.
Speaker 2:I will make sure you're sent the right video, because I don't know if you're watching the right video.
Speaker 1:Well, you sent me hours of videos and you sent me a lot between you and Amanda. A lot of individual information that contains accusations within the context of a sentence. That is a new accusation you know like, and some things are just assertions that you hear that sound outlandish, Like how, with all this stuff is true, that you're saying is true, would it be that you've written some of Brian's books?
Speaker 2:Very true.
Speaker 1:How can one hear that and go like oh yeah, brian's incapable of writing his own books?
Speaker 2:I didn't say he was incapable, but I do have the original notebook timed and stamped. When that day comes, no problem.
Speaker 1:Like which books of his did you read?
Speaker 2:Starlighter Corin and Jason.
Speaker 1:Starlighter was a series.
Speaker 2:Starlighter is book one and Starlighter is a story world that takes place with two books that go at the same time. Adrian was based on me. My mom helped create two other characters in it yes, I know it very well. And then Brian took over and wrote Warrior, which Gabriel mentioned. Some things have happened with Warrior and then Third Starlighter. Well, nobody in the Davis family likes to talk about that. Third Star Lighter was written about some events that took place. My mom had a lot of anger towards what happened to me and I think Brian's wife had a lot of anger. And Brian did not write Third Star Lighter and if you ever read it you'll know why and I did help.
Speaker 1:The third Starlighter was written about some events that took place, but Ryan didn't write it.
Speaker 2:No, he did not.
Speaker 1:And you didn't write it.
Speaker 2:No, I had a hand in it, but my mom was the. My mom was the one that did the plot for that and Susan edited that book. Yes, I don't know who Susan is. Susie is Brian's wife.
Speaker 1:Susie, susan Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a real sweetheart.
Speaker 1:Honestly.
Speaker 2:She does all the editing she does, she does. She taught my mom everything she knows, yes. So yeah, I have no problem proving.
Speaker 1:If I may Go Like you're saying, Susie taught your mother everything she knows about editing under what circumstances?
Speaker 2:like online. So Susie had cancer and my mom had cancer and they were in a group. You know online and just emails and I don't know. They did meet up in person a few times, I know that, so you know the online group because they're in different states yes, I know what's the online group that brings them together online?
Speaker 1:Yes, I know.
Speaker 2:I think it was like a prayer for cancer group thing, because they both had cancer. So you know they were friends. I mean, there's no, I don't know what more I can say on that.
Speaker 1:They were close friends, I mean but you said that Susie taught your mother everything she knows about editing. So that goes far beyond being in a third group together yeah, oh yeah, I know that they, they did a lot. That's a large assertion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she wasn't an editor until that point. That's right, susan taught her a lot. I remember the emails. I never read them, but they were very long, so I can't talk for my mom because she's not here anymore. I can only say that my mom learned a lot from her um, so I don't, you know, I don't have to pursue that at all, but it's just.
Speaker 1:You know, as we talk, more assertions are made and it's like the question has to come up.
Speaker 2:My mom did write Third Starlighter. I do have her manuscript and it was written by hand and that was very painful for her to to write. So it is a very serious story. Like I said, there was a lot of anger towards what happened to me and that was her way of dealing with it. She had to deal with it somehow and that's how she dealt with it. You got to understand, scott. I was homeschooled. I had never been on my own. I trusted Brian. He was my father figure. I was one of those kids that he messaged a lot and he adored my writing. And my best friend at the time, who was autistic, and you know, yeah, did he ask for it? Yeah, he did. He did ask for things. And you know what, I'm sorry, I was stupid. Okay, I got it, but when he found out my mom was terminally ill, he asked for our address and I was stupid enough to give it. And and then I was well, you know the rest I was chloroformed and taken and uh, right, I'm just hearing this that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it and that was. That was when you're an older teenager.
Speaker 2:You yes, I'm just trying to say that.
Speaker 1:I mean two years later you wrote Starlighter.
Speaker 2:Third Starlighter was what my mom wrote. The first book is called no, you said you wrote. So Starlighter is the one I wrote. Third Starlighter is the one my mom wrote Two different books. Right, yes, right. Starlighter came, the one I wrote. Third Starlighter is the one my mom wrote Two different books. Right, yes, right. Starlighter came out in 2013. So Starlighter was written in 2012.
Speaker 1:Right. So you were like 2021, am I right?
Speaker 2:No, you're wrong.
Speaker 1:Yes, and you've got to tell me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're wrong. Yes, you gotta tell me. Yeah, so I was taken legally at 18, as he rubs in, so I was 19 when I wrote Starlighter legally. The story was inspired by what I went through. If you ever read it, that's what I can say on that.
Speaker 1:So how is it that Brian's name is on it?
Speaker 2:If you read through the police report, there was an encounter with my mom that was reported and there was a confrontation that was reported and my mom had no choice and we left with Brian having that story and everything was kept at peace. You can read the police report on that.
Speaker 1:Well, that was I mean. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was a. I haven't heard a positive interaction between you, but there seems to be a professional relationship and it's all the same thing.
Speaker 2:Before I was taken, there was a positive relationship with Brian. We go way back. I was about 12. Yeah, I was 12 when I met him and he took so much interest in me and my best friend, kevin. If you ever want to talk to him he'll tell you. Brian would message me every day. He would message Kevin every day. He would want to know how my school is, how Kevin's school is. Just different things.
Speaker 2:At first it was really cool that a Christian author was messaging kids out of nowhere in Roro Oregon. That's kind of cool. But then my mom found it became creepy and messaging someone at midnight and it got pretty. Over the years it got a little out of hand. My mom said there needed to be boundaries and Brian didn't respect that and so my mom decided to not respect him, decided to not respect him.
Speaker 2:My mom, when we moved, brian showed up. He actually contacted my pastor, which was reported in her own words and I'll send that to you. He had a four-hour conversation with my pastor about me as if he was my dad and it was not a nice one and we decided not to go back to that church after what he said and so we started going to a new church and that pastor told Brian where we were living at the time. And so then Brian showed up and my mom and him had an encounter. It wasn't bad, it wasn't good. He claimed that he wanted to check on me and make sure I was good and okay. He signed a book. I still have that book.
Speaker 2:He signed a book and my mom said it was inappropriate, you know, to do this, to talk to a pastor to find out where we were. It was just inappropriate to keep messaging and to politely stay away. I'm sick, I have cancer. Stay away. And I was 18. I wanted to pray for you and is it okay, if I have someone I know, go to you sometime and meet you at a park which we have? The original message. I said okay, and you know the rest of what happened to me after that. I don't need to retell that part. So I was naive and I guess I look at it as you know. I'm not here for a war. I'm not even here for a trial on Brian. I want you to know what's gone on and what could go on, and I don't want anyone else on the room to know except you.
Speaker 1:There's a whole history that you say you've had. Yes sir, and the things that have been provided as communication from Brian don't seem from Brian.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I mean some communication that you say is from Brian is actually from Brian, and that isn't. It doesn't have hallmarks of being falsified. Okay, I haven't seen a text or an email.
Speaker 2:Yet that is convincing. I can do that. I can get my mom's no, that's on you, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1:I would think you would have already done that. I would have thought it would have been the first thing up.
Speaker 2:Well, to be fair, I would have thought it would have been the first thing. I would have thought Well, to be fair, you know that we're battling a lot of medical right now because of things.
Speaker 1:Well, that's not preventing you from messaging me, pursuing me to tell me this information.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of emails. That's why I'm here. Right, there's a lot of emails. Okay, let me say, right, there's a lot of emails. Okay, let me say this in brian's defense I'm not defending him from what he did to me or others, I'm defending those emails. Okay, those emails come from emails that at first don't look like they're from Brian. If you do a search on Brian on I think it's Spoko or what did the police officer say I'll look at those. One of those emails popped up so that's used as evidence, as the police said, to go back and see if that legitimately came from Brian. Right, but it is an email that Brian normally doesn't use.
Speaker 1:Granted, there's the email address, and then there's the content in the email.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right, the content doesn't hold up here, correct?
Speaker 2:Correct, so I don't know what to say other than those were right, those were sent by that email and the police do have that, so that's the only thing that there's evidence of, that those messages were sent from that email, but there's no evidence that Brian wrote that email.
Speaker 1:It's not from his email address and, reading the content, anyone that's had anything any interaction with Brian like you can't read those. Right can't read those Right and the syntax and grammar and the word usage and the sentence structure. Right and the slang.
Speaker 2:It's odd, it's on. No, it's odd.
Speaker 1:I'm misunderstanding you.
Speaker 2:Odd. Oh, it's odd, it's odd. Yes, it's odd, it's odd. It's odd, it's off, it's. The exchange that I usually have with Brian is much more how do I put this nicely Professional, at least. I mean. Sure you know he's part of my English, but bad. But you know he speaks in a very, I guess, british English.
Speaker 1:long sentence structure is the word I'm looking for yeah, and so I haven't seen a single thing, but it's being asserted that he wrote these and I read it.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's not, and so I haven't seen a single thing. But it's being asserted that he wrote these and I read I'm like that's not Brian and that's not Brian's brother, and that's not true either. And look at all this stuff. So it makes people go back into everything else and go like, well, what is true? Show me a true assertion, and that's what I'm looking for. Okay, that's why I'm asking questions, because I need to. I need to find any assertion that's provable right right and you don't seem to be.
Speaker 1:You don't seem to be taking issue with my assertion that all the screenshots of the texts and the emails don't seem like anything that would be believable.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Well, I can send you the recordings I have and you know I can the police reports obviously case numbers, videos number one.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of videos. The things that are said are spoken in the videos.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When I listen I'm like that's not what was said exactly.
Speaker 2:So like you've watched Brian talk in those videos, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not the same statement to say that Brian Davis talks private messages to children about porn 10 to 15 hours a week. Okay, such as pornography cutting, you know, mentioning serious problems that kids today are dealing with. That aren't the same problems kids used to be dealing with it because it wasn't so public or easy access.
Speaker 1:You know, so that's just you know. Kids are reaching out to me with these concerns. It's very different from making a statement that Brian Davis talks about porn and cutting with kids 10-15 hours a week. The statement doesn't match the assertion.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And you know other things like I was working with. You know Brian Davis saying I own the government yeah, that is on there and I was. You know, I've always went okay, that's you're claiming to be um, okay, interesting, but it sounds like that claim comes from like looking at the fifth chapter of astral dragon and I see, am saying like see here he admits he works with the government Is literally his fiction. What you're relying on to make an assertion that he's working with the government, you know, and that you?
Speaker 1:know, Mike Pence is the biggest sex trafficker of all and Brian's number two, and but yeah, that was blown out of.
Speaker 1:That was blown all the way he doesn't look like somebody who owns a government. He's not acting like somebody who owns a government. He's printing books and going to homeschool conventions to sell books in order to make money to support his family and his home. Doesn't look like he's making all this other money from running a crime business. The evidence isn't there when you look. Right. If you look at somebody's business, who's got this crime enterprise they've got their fingers out everywhere. He has people that are doing these things for him then there's got to be a lot of money behind all that and there's no evidence of that, like there's no evidence of having money or spending money or making money other than just selling books. Right, you see somebody that's in a crime enterprise. You can tell by looking at them.
Speaker 2:I'm hearing what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to do the math. I'm trying to do the math. Let me ask you this If there are three things that you can show me that accurately reflect the things Right, go ahead. There are three things that you can show me that accurately reflect the assertion from something that he said and not something somebody said he said.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen anything yet.
Speaker 2:With all that's been said and I'm the time that I have, I'm looking into it have you watched the entire video where he talks about me, the one that you talk about, michael Pence?
Speaker 1:there's more than one of every I've seen. I've seen an email I I've seen with you know some skipping through oh, okay, you know two hours out of three potentially yeah, the uh angels oh man it starts going back over old stuff. It's like like she had new viewers or something. Yeah, and it's like okay, I already, I already heard this. Right, she's going back to the beginning. Like well, it's just tuned in.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to keep on saying this, right, but.
Speaker 2:Let me ask this Respectably Okay, if all of what I've said is false, okay, let's play devil's advocate, right? My mom's a liar, apparently. Let's just play devil's advocate, right, my mom's a liar, apparently, let's just play devil's advocate. Why did Brian take the time to make these videos and literally try to go? Nope, I'm not the trafficker, you're the trafficker, your mom's a trafficker. That's what I haven't heard. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I've heard him going on and saying, like addressing allegations.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think three years ago, your youtube, your youtube, where you're, it's just you, yep and you're and you're talking, yep, and I think it's like six months ago. Maybe something's reposted I only know the date, the date it was put on YouTube. But you know, waiting two and a half years to address allegations, there's more patience than I would have, but it sounds like other people were reaching out to him to like get his, because he wasn't just going out hi, I'm here on YouTube and I'm here to just talk about these allegations and it's more somebody else saying okay, so what's?
Speaker 2:your side of the story? Yeah, but I never really named him.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you did in the email. In the video I heard of you like heart shares.
Speaker 2:I said Brian, I don't think.
Speaker 1:I said Davis okay, well, you might be right about that yeah hitting into it, knowing whatever he's talking about right that was for me.
Speaker 2:I was terminally ill at that point and I had to forgive and not forget. I stand by that Right that was for me. I was terminally ill at that point and I had to forgive and not forget.
Speaker 1:I stand by that. I remember that day. Yeah, it's an assertion that it deserves to be proved, if it's going to be stated.
Speaker 2:Richard Douglas, who you have, I'll have him reach out. There's a lot of people that remember that day, so they can reach out if you want. Well, no, I mean, he wasn't there, right.
Speaker 1:Yes, he was. He was just somebody else. Yes, he was.
Speaker 2:When you say there he was, where Dallas, Texas. I was in the hospital. I wasn't given long to live. I had a lot of anger towards, I'll be honest, right Like my virginity being taken and all of that. My mom was gone and Brian caused a lot of anger in my heart. So the only way my doctor, who was a Christian, who went with me, the only way he thought that I could heal was to forgive, and so we went to where Brian was and the police were notified because my doctor was friends with police in Dallas. So there is a Dallas police report and I shook Brian's hand.
Speaker 1:There's a brief moment in your statement. You went to where he was. You went to where Brian was.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did.
Speaker 1:And Brian wasn't home. Brian was somewhere else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was at a church thing in Dallas.
Speaker 1:Like a homeschool convention.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a homeschool convention, but it was a church sort of event.
Speaker 1:I was assuming he was selling books. That's why he travels and goes to those events, sort of.
Speaker 2:He was kind of preaching. But yeah, he does preach.
Speaker 1:If you didn't know, Perhaps he's preached, you know, I don't know. I know that he's not like a pastor at a church, but you don't have to be a pastor at a church to have on occasion, preach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've heard people call him a pastor, so I don't know how to address that one.
Speaker 1:Neither do I, so I don't know how to address that one, but I Neither do I, because I don't have an understanding of what's true. I just know like right now he doesn't have a pastor.
Speaker 2:He isn't a pastor Right, no no, but he does preach. He preaches on sinless philosophy. He believes that you can achieve a sinless life by not sinning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen him argue that online.
Speaker 2:In the Realm Makers not in the Realm Stream.
Speaker 1:But you know, I think it was maybe his own consortium.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was a very heated long. I don't know some people might get heated, but when you're all online, go ahead, get heated, but keep your writings civil but it was a civil. It was quoting scripture like this is why I believe what I believe, why I believe what.
Speaker 2:I believe you're always going to have people that I tell my actors this that are extremists. When you bring religion in, like if I'm working let's use an example if I'm working with a Muslim, you know, they know I'm Christian, obviously you're not going to go. You're going to hell. You're going to respect them, you're going to love them, but it doesn't mean that you condone some of the things they believe. You respect each other's differences, okay. You show decency and professionalism to anybody you work with. I can tell you that firsthand. I learned that the hard way.
Speaker 1:Of course we're getting there.
Speaker 2:No, I'm sorry, it might have been my fault. I'll make this part short. Brian, I forgave him. I shook his hand, that's it. I stand by what I said. There was many people that saw what he said and we left and that was it. Yeah, that was 2021.
Speaker 1:So the question is like why? Why wasn't that the end? Oh um why are we here? Why are you? In the realm of fear and reaching out to people and offering this information.
Speaker 2:You know just because brian, because brian didn't stop, he could have ended it when I did that.
Speaker 1:So that's what we needed, so like.
Speaker 2:When I forgave him. I told him I forgive you, I don't forget you, the past is the past and we need to move on. I don't know if I'm going to live, but I got to make it right with God. I'm not you. I've done what God has told me to do and I'm moving on. I release any power you have over me or have ever had, and I'm done and that's it. And we walked away. If everything you say is true, that's a healthy way for you to proceed. That's what I needed to do.
Speaker 1:I suppose what we could talk about is what happened since then. That is the result of what I've seen in the realm sphere.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:As you're reaching out and you're maligning him to I don't know how many people. I have no idea. I mean I know you sent 1,200 direct messages in a two-week time frame.
Speaker 2:I never mentioned Brian. Early June I got to tell you that I don't know what you're saying. Yeah, no, I never mentioned Brian. I'm getting you know. So there's a degree to which no, I never made that about Brian. Nobody knows. Nobody knows that part.
Speaker 1:Well, I know that's not true, that nobody knows, because I know at least one person was reached out to and then later that information was offered. So I know that's true for at least one person. Well, I guess that makes it two.
Speaker 2:Well, let's see 1,200. No, because during that I did not talk about Brian, that was about the crossover. I'm not saying that's when you did.
Speaker 1:I did not talk about Brian.
Speaker 2:That was about the crossover. I'm not saying that's when you did.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying that's what became an anomaly in the analytics that we get from the system. We go like whoa, what's going on here?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Who's being active? Who would?
Speaker 2:be. I was curious about that. I was curious about that because basically, it was an author and I going back and forth, you know pretty much every minute going oh no, let's not do that, let's do this, oh no, let's move this, oh no, let's move that, and that's fine.
Speaker 1:I mean that's certainly a valid use of the realm sphere. Yeah, the context was we're like gee. Who might we ask to be a host? We need some. We need some hosts.
Speaker 2:Well, I never.
Speaker 1:I want you to, and so we go to the, we go to the analytics and we look at like okay, well, who's active?
Speaker 2:Right who's?
Speaker 1:already active Right and we might ask to right, and so that rose to the top and we knew you weren't nearly as active in like posts and things like that, but you had some interaction there. But it singles out different kinds of interactions right and I to be fair. I have to leave, so I have to hang up the phone okay okay, I've got dinner.
Speaker 1:continue this guy. If you guys can continue this on another phone. Call, scott, if I came off the wrong way and if it seemed like I accused you of anything, please accept my sincerest apologies. Your tone was highly accusatory from the beginning, like let me ask you a question. It was kind of an arrogant interrogator kind of tone of voice.
Speaker 2:Yes, so that was I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I will admit that I was in the wrong there. From what I can see, what information was needed and what information was given was skewed. Not as in skewed as in that. It was the wrong information. It was information that was needed but was misunderstood in how it was given, and I actually understand that I've had that happen. So, scott, please forgive me. I am very sorry. That was my biggest concern, was coming off the wrong way. So I am very sorry. If you could please forgive me, fine, certainly forgive me, thank you. I think we will need to continue this another time, just because I've got dinner's going to be on the table in a moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what I'll do this another time just because I've got dinner's going to be on the table in a moment. What I'll do, I guess I'll. These are long audios. I'll have Amanda send these and then you need and I reached out to the things that you said was a video or a TikTok, where he says what you say.
Speaker 1:You said I need to hear that an audio recording that I don't know who's talking and whatever they're saying if it's Brian, I'd know it's Brian.
Speaker 2:This is Eric Pinson, the person that talks about Brian sending him to hurt Ryan. Yes, it's a phone call. Yes, that wouldn't be evidence of anything other than somebody saying whatever they want to say, but they showed up to hurt Ryan. It's documented, it's been reported and I need that to accompany it. That's fine.
Speaker 1:Okay, I wouldn't want anything to happen to your son.
Speaker 2:Yes, to come to accompany it.
Speaker 1:That's fine. Okay, I don't want anything to happen to your son. Yes, at this stage, with accusations flying like, I need an accusation that can be proved that I can do because that's been documented, so that's fine, there's been so many accusations and I'm looking and I'm asking and when I ask for original emails, like I'm trying to get to the truth if you're going to be sending out assertions and not being willing to offer a true source of information that you've got to have if you forwarded it.
Speaker 1:You've got to have if you forwarded it. You've got to have the original, why wouldn't the original be sent? Well, when all of them are forwards, it engenders distrust when they're all forwards, because that's falsifiable, the original email is not. You can take a screenshot, you can put it into Facebook or Adobe Acrobat. You can try to change words possibly, but in a forwarded email it's easy to just forward and retype what was there.
Speaker 2:I did not know that. I have to be real truthful because I don't do email.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that. I have to be real, truthful because I don't do email. I didn't know that either. I do do email.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't yeah if you go to an email and you forward it.
Speaker 1:You can just go down and change everything. Really, I know Gabriel's got to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I do Okay.
Speaker 1:In any of the words attributed to Brian in any of those texts. That was not anything Brian typed.
Speaker 2:I agree with you on that, but it's still documented in the police report that they claim to be.
Speaker 1:Well, falsified texts in a police report are still falsified texts and they're what you sent, or what Amanda sent two days ago as proof. So I don't know what you expect me to believe when the proof provided to prove assertions that are spoken. I have to go birthday, I'm sorry. Okay, you got it. Happy birthday, Thank you.
