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Truth Seekers | Episode 203
Truth Seekers | Episode 203
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What does responsible truth-seeking look like when serious allegations surface in a community? This raw conversation captures the tension between demanding action and requiring proper evidence before drawing conclusions.
At the heart of this dialogue lies a fundamental question: How much verification is necessary before accepting claims about another person's character or actions? One participant expresses frustration over what they perceive as excessive caution, questioning why forwarded emails aren't considered sufficient evidence. They urgently press for action against someone they consider dangerous, while the other maintains a commitment to thorough verification before reaching conclusions.
The discussion reveals how easily assumptions can form and spread within communities. When one participant confidently describes organizational history that turns out to be incorrect, it serves as a powerful metaphor for the entire conversation - even seemingly straightforward claims require verification. A fascinating distinction emerges between "people who understand," "people who hear," and "people who know," highlighting how information changes as it passes through different channels.
For anyone who has found themselves navigating complex interpersonal conflicts, this conversation offers valuable insights into the challenges of discerning truth amid competing narratives. The methodical approach described at the end - accumulating verifiable information while suspending judgment - provides a thoughtful model for handling difficult situations where facts matter and hasty conclusions could cause lasting harm. What standards of evidence do you apply when serious claims are made about others in your community?
A tense conversation unfolds as one participant expresses concerns about another's handling of allegations against a man named Brian Davis, questioning the evidence threshold being applied to serious accusations.
• Prayer for guidance and truth-seeking opens the discussion
• Disagreement over whether forwarded emails constitute sufficient evidence
• Distinction made between "people who understand," "people who hear," and "people who know"
• Dispute over the origins of an organization called Realm Makers
• Methodical approach described: "accumulating information, any statement or fact that I can verify, and intentionally withholding my inclination to draw any conclusions"
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Sorry, I was trying to adjust something. Do you mind, if we pray first, sure, go ahead, dear Heavenly Father.
Speaker 2:Lord, we thank you for the story that you have given us, the story of Jesus and the story you've put on our hearts to tell, and the story that you've given us to live and everything that we do. Pursue the truth, because we know that that's going to bring us closer to you and help us not to be led astray as we live our story and not be that the victim of someone else's story. Help us to have a constructive conversation and ease David's concern For the best of time. In Jesus' name, amen. What's bothering?
Speaker 1:you, david Solomon. Yeah, and as I'm pretty sure you well know by now, david is a friend of mine. Yeah, I'm concerned with what's going on, I'm concerned of some of the things that I've been told, I'm concerned of some of the things I've heard, and I'm concerned about you, scott. I won't lie. I'm concerned of some of the questions you've been asking and the evidence you've been asking for and how you've asked these questions.
Speaker 2:Hope you understand.
Speaker 1:Well, I was talking to Amanda and Scott and not Scott. I was talking to Amanda and David the other day and Amanda was telling me of how a specific subject came up up, about a specific industry, if you get my meaning of something that was going on and you spoke to her asking for original emails of this thing thing because the ones she sent you were forwarded. And yet these are the same. They are still the original emails. They just have been forwarded to other people as evidence that she has these.
Speaker 2:I find that very concerning.
Speaker 1:What is concerning about asking for original emails, because she gave you their original emails.
Speaker 2:But no, when an email is forwarded and like there's a screenshot right, you can screenshot your original email. So I guess you're contacting me on behalf of David and Amanda.
Speaker 1:I guess you're talking about yes Instead of. And there's one other thing You've been given a lot of information, david, I didn't ask Scott. Oh my gosh, my names are getting all mixed up. I'm sorry, forgive me, scott, you've been given a lot of information. I've told you some things, david's told you some things, amanda's told you some things, and there are other people on Realm that know about this, on realm that know about this, that know what's going on, have a great deep understanding and explain that, explain what a great deep understanding means.
Speaker 2:Like, what great deep understanding does anyone have other than David and Amanda and Brian? You know they all have a great deep understanding of what's going on from their perspective. Everyone else is really just listening, am I right? No, you see Well then help me understand what more there is to understand.
Speaker 1:There are people who understand, there are people that hear and there's people that know. There are people that hear and there's people that know. And so my question to you, scott, is what more information, how much more information must I, david and Amanda and maybe others, have to give you before you're willing to see with your own eyes that Brian Davis is a dangerous man? Have you heard of his book the Warrior? Tell me about it. I've never read it, but I've been told that a young boy who read the Warrior once committed suicide and another one wrote, the Warrior, brian Davis.
Speaker 2:Where does it exist? I've gotten about the search for the astral dragon. Oh, I know the search for the astral dragon.
Speaker 1:Is it?
Speaker 2:in that Is it? That's one of his newer books. He sent the warning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but here let's just for argument's sake, let's look at the Astral Dragon.
Speaker 2:Hmm, what's the purpose of this call?
Speaker 1:You want me to give it to you straight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so far it's hard to find that.
Speaker 1:Alright, fine, fine, I'm gonna get it to you straight. You have too much information and you're not doing anything.
Speaker 2:I don't have any information that isn't publicly available on YouTube. The only thing I've been given is one of these videos, brian.
Speaker 1:Davis. What am I supposed to be doing? Brian Davis is a part of Realm Makers. Scott, You're no fool, I know you're not a fool. You built Realm Makers from the ashes of I think it was once called um. What was it? Wonder Something After the Wonder Day, was it? I believe?
Speaker 2:That is nothing that I understand what you're talking about. You're trying to tell me what we built realm makers off of. Holy well, you're wrong. Holy well, there we go.
Speaker 1:Holy well, you built realm makersers. After Holy Worlds fell apart because of its original owner.
Speaker 2:Well, you'd have to talk to Becky about what Holy Worlds is. I have no idea what that is Really. Yeah, this was nothing that came from anything else, do you understand? I don't know. You're hearing from somebody else what we built Realm Makers on, and it's what you're saying, isn't true?
Speaker 1:Is it? No? Do you know? Becky knows David Solomon.
Speaker 2:Becky does not know David Solomon. Are you sure?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, because I distinctly remember David telling me that your wife knew David's mom Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so David is telling you through Facebook that Becky knows David's mom. Right now, I am just accumulating information, any statement or fact that I can verify, and intentionally withholding my inclination to draw any conclusions based on any preconceived notions, friendships, understandings or anything, just going from the information that I'm hearing and I'm making a list. This is an accusation, finding the verification, this is a statement that was made and verifying that statement, and I'm keeping it very